EPTOn May 02 2015 03:33 cLutZ wrote:
Ahh yes, genius. Double PD with no IE!
Ahh yes, genius. Double PD with no IE!
You get IE after the PD's.
You don't get LW because you're Vayne.
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Harem
United States11393 Posts
You get IE after the PD's. You don't get LW because you're Vayne. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On May 02 2015 04:22 Harem wrote: You get IE after the PD's. You don't get LW because you're Vayne. Double PD requires you to either be a god or have great peel to be worth it. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On May 02 2015 04:24 Gahlo wrote: Double PD requires you to either be a god or have great peel to be worth it. then why aren't you a god? | ||
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Kinie
United States3106 Posts
Have you seen the paperwork involved in filing to become a god? That's a miracle in and of itself. And the upkeep of the title is insane too. Totally not worth the hastle. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
On May 01 2015 22:18 DarkCore wrote: Isn't his W very good at trades? His early burst got nerfed yeah, which would probably be the reason he sees bruiser play in top lane now, or you pick him into melee mid laners. His lv 6 all in is still strong though, if you can survive to that point he just plays out like normal, except missing Urf hurts a lot more to your all in. He's pretty bad vs ranged right now because unlike Talon,Zed,Diana etc he has 0 ranged options so returning damage is a really big commitment and he doesn't really out trade anyone unless you dodge a skill with trickster or urchin strike. Now that he has some of his ratios back he can snowball pretty hard again and with a couple kills can shed his ult reliance. But in general i think he's really hard to play mid unless you have an early game jungler to protect you from getting pushed I should expand to say I have not tried W max in mid as of yet, technically W max has always been the highest vs, champion damage potential, but nobody (except Westdoor I belive) maxed it because E was, good enough and crucially gave you wave clear as well as a significantly reduced cd on your escape/gap close. There is one guy on NA, Abou222/Reap22 who is making it work, I've tried to copy his masteries but I'm just not feeling he's top tier anymore. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On May 02 2015 04:22 Harem wrote: You get IE after the PD's. You don't get LW because you're Vayne. Well, first of all, that's a myth, and second of all, 13000 gold till your build is online is a recipe for disaster. Particularly if you are a champ like Vayne that is terrible before she's online. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
Too much effort. | ||
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WiseBagus
Canada452 Posts
He has decent early pressure, can scale well with his free resists. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23460 Posts
all the best vayne players i ve played with always go aggressive early and do a lot all the game theres nothing special about vayne making her good lategame she scales similarlyto other adcs except against fed tanks shes weak when behind rather than only strong lategame | ||
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Ansibled
United Kingdom9872 Posts
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On May 02 2015 05:21 Slayer91 wrote: vayne isn't terribel at all wtf all the best vayne players i ve played with always go aggressive early and do a lot all the game theres nothing special about vayne making her good lategame she scales similarlyto other adcs except against fed tanks shes weak when behind rather than only strong lategame I disagree because of her lack of spells. And thus her range is more or less fixed. And she scales differently in that when Autos start taking over compared to longer cd spells, and teamfights get more drawn out she increases in power, or if she can splitpush she can power through. | ||
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Fildun
Netherlands4124 Posts
On May 02 2015 05:21 Slayer91 wrote: vayne isn't terribel at all wtf all the best vayne players i ve played with always go aggressive early and do a lot all the game theres nothing special about vayne making her good lategame she scales similarlyto other adcs except against fed tanks shes weak when behind rather than only strong lategame Teut can you explain to me why I sometimes go 6/0 vs Vlad in lane and sometimes can't do shit vs him? I feel like there isn't that much different in what I'm doing and in what he's doing, but apparently there are a lot of intricacies about the matchup I'm missing Talking about Garen of course. | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
Don't really see a reason to go 2 pds other than it is pretty fun to shoot fast though wouldn't use too much thought on if it is good no matter of your mechanics. | ||
Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21248 Posts
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Nos-
Canada12016 Posts
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Kinie
United States3106 Posts
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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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Nos-
Canada12016 Posts
 melts tanks tho | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
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lilwisper
United States2515 Posts
On May 02 2015 07:44 wei2coolman wrote: why essence reaver? just buy some pots with your IE and it'll do the same for ya. I am guessing it is for the CDR and also being the cheapest 80AD item? I am also guessing one would be using the fact that Lucian can double tap to make up for the loss of the scaling from IE? | ||
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