EPT[Patch 5.8] Ryze Rework General Discussion - Page 14
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
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Slayer91
Ireland23460 Posts
On May 01 2015 00:10 Kaethis wrote: On the Crit discussion: I remember an article I read a while ago that attempted to analyze why football (soccer for you Americans) was the most popular sport in the world. The best thing they could come up with was that in football, out of all the sports that are played at a professional level (and that they analysed obviously) the team that is better on paper is least likely to win. So football is popular because it's more random. How is that relevant here? Dunno, but randomness isn't always a bad thing. wtf the team that is better on paper usually wins wtf the reason its popular is because all you need to play or practice is a football while in games like american football rugby cricket baseball etc its a very rigid rule structure while a group of 7 kids from school in the backarse of nowhere can find any field and put down some sweaters for goalposts and go at it and one might become the next great player you can p much have any number to practice/play football and only need a football for equipment similar to why basketball is popular around black communities since they live in mostly urban areas they don't have access to fields but if theres a court and a basketball you can play 1 can practice 2 can 1 on 1 4 can 2vs2 etc for example paul scholes' dad used to get into arguments with the neighbour because little scholes was just booting a football against a wall all day every day and then you see him playing for manchester united every fucking goal he has is from the middle just outside the box whenever the ball randomly gets knocked in his direcetion he just runs in and boots it straight in LOL | ||
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Nos-
Canada12016 Posts
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On May 01 2015 00:24 Slayer91 wrote: wtf the team that is better on paper usually wins wtf What he meant by "least likely to win" is pretty simple: A better soccer/baseball/basketball/whatever team is more likely to beat their opponent than a better football team is to beat theirs. The football team is still more likely to win than lose, they're just less likely to win when compared to analogous situations in any other sport. | ||
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Kaethis
Netherlands112 Posts
edit: 'Least likely to win' means when comparing a statistically stronger team going into a football match to another statistically stronger team (or player) in ANY other sport, the football team is most likely to lose. The correlation between skill and winning is just not as strong in football as it is in other things. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23460 Posts
On May 01 2015 00:35 Nos- wrote: I want more soccer analysis by teut messi - runs around like a little pixie-faerie-demon-god of soccer, will only score if he gets to run 50 metres and beat 4 defenders anything else is too boring ronaldo - solo split pushes and does something fancy then boots towards the goal and hopes for the best if he gets ganked he falls down instantly complains to his ref for not having enough map pressure klose (german striker) - manager pages him from his deck chair next to the goal so he gets up and tips it in to the goal or just altering the trajectory like a snooker player tim howard secretary of defense belgium's lukaka+kevin de brune the legendary oppression combo of black man +ginger they seriously had good teamwork in the WC ...i really don't know that much about soccer | ||
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Ansibled
United Kingdom9872 Posts
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
Ronaldo is triforce Udyr Tim Howard is Ziggs Lukaka + de Brune are Lucian + Annie idk Klose | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On May 01 2015 01:10 Ansibled wrote: The solution to this is obviously to have football teams play Bo5s. Clearly. I couldn't believe the shit tournament format at the WC with best of freakin ones. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On April 30 2015 18:48 nafta wrote: Was just interested to see how was he trying to troll me. The fact that you were in a position to get hit by Zed meant you misplayed it, regardless of having QSS. it's like doublelift bitching about gettign 2v1'd when he's pushed past river splitpushing without wards. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23460 Posts
On May 01 2015 01:56 ticklishmusic wrote: Messi is Vayne Ronaldo is triforce Udyr Tim Howard is Ziggs Lukaka + de Brune are Lucian + Annie idk Klose i resent that statement zz not all udyrs are split pushing jerks this is why i need feminism | ||
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oo_Wonderful_oo
The land of freedom23126 Posts
On May 01 2015 02:05 wei2coolman wrote: The fact that you were in a position to get hit by Zed meant you misplayed it, regardless of having QSS. it's like doublelift bitching about gettign 2v1'd when he's pushed past river splitpushing without wards. Wei, that was awful try to bait people :D On May 01 2015 01:56 ticklishmusic wrote: Messi is Vayne Ronaldo is triforce Udyr Tim Howard is Ziggs Lukaka + de Brune are Lucian + Annie idk Klose Klose is that clutch Thresh, who's going to win you a game after being absent for 40 minutes. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On May 01 2015 02:18 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote: Wei, that was awful try to bait people :D it's not trolling. jesus christ, it's a fucking zed. Just playing against that matchup you're required to spend 1.2k gold on a fucking MR item against zed, just for an active. Chances are, he's still gunna fucking kill you regardless of his ult or not, due to the fact he's 1.2k gold on top of you in stats. If you got rekt by zed, you were either a) too far behind, crit doesn't matter, or b) you mispositioned and let zed get 2 autos off. | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
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oo_Wonderful_oo
The land of freedom23126 Posts
On May 01 2015 02:22 wei2coolman wrote: it's not trolling. jesus christ, it's a fucking zed. Just playing against that matchup you're required to spend 1.2k gold on a fucking MR item against zed, just for an active. Chances are, he's still gunna fucking kill you regardless of his ult or not, due to the fact he's 1.2k gold on top of you in stats. If you got rekt by zed, you were either a) too far behind, crit doesn't matter, or b) you mispositioned and let zed get 2 autos off. Okay, so. Situation 1, Zed flashes to you without using shadow - he ults, you qss - he shadows to you, you flash, he shadows back, you're useless already, Zed wins because your team fights without adc. Situation 2, Zed uses shadow to reach you - he ults, you qss - he flashes to you, you flash, same story Situation 3, Zed doesn't have flash but you have - he ults, you qss - he shadows, you flash, he goes back, same as situation 1 Situation 4, Zed doesn't have both flash and shadow - he ults, you qss - you punch him, because he can't reach you probably, because ghostblade was already used to ult you in first place So, in 75% of situations, when you have both summoners up, Zed basically forces you out of fight anyway despite not getting those 2 shots and you having qss, it's random numbers ofc, just for sake of Zed vs adc matchup. | ||
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Fildun
Netherlands4124 Posts
On May 01 2015 02:34 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote: Okay, so. Situation 1, Zed flashes to you without using shadow - he ults, you qss - he shadows to you, you flash, he shadows back, you're useless already, Zed wins because your team fights without adc. Situation 2, Zed uses shadow to reach you - he ults, you qss - he flashes to you, you flash, same story Situation 3, Zed doesn't have flash but you have - he ults, you qss - he shadows, you flash, he goes back, same as situation 1 Situation 4, Zed doesn't have both flash and shadow - he ults, you qss - you punch him, because he can't reach you probably, because ghostblade was already used to ult you in first place So, in 75% of situations, when you have both summoners up, Zed basically forces you out of fight anyway despite not getting those 2 shots and you having qss, it's random numbers ofc, just for sake of Zed vs adc matchup. Situation 5: Your team is around the ADC and as soon as Zed ults he gets blown up, and the ADC wouldn't die unless Zed gets 2 crits in a row. Also I don't see how your ADC is out of the fight in all of those situations, because the ADC won't be below half HP and he can just run back to the fight (1-2 seconds) after Zed shadows back as well. Plus Zed is even more useless than the ADC. Edit: There are also non-teamfight situations to consider, for example a 1v1 where those 2 crits decide who wins and who loses. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On May 01 2015 02:34 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote: Okay, so. Situation 1, Zed flashes to you without using shadow - he ults, you qss - he shadows to you, you flash, he shadows back, you're useless already, Zed wins because your team fights without adc. Situation 2, Zed uses shadow to reach you - he ults, you qss - he flashes to you, you flash, same story Situation 3, Zed doesn't have flash but you have - he ults, you qss - he shadows, you flash, he goes back, same as situation 1 Situation 4, Zed doesn't have both flash and shadow - he ults, you qss - you punch him, because he can't reach you probably, because ghostblade was already used to ult you in first place So, in 75% of situations, when you have both summoners up, Zed basically forces you out of fight anyway despite not getting those 2 shots and you having qss, it's random numbers ofc, just for sake of Zed vs adc matchup. and that's why i said the crit from zed from ghostblade is pretty inconsequential to how the game plays out, also if you're getting auto'd twice by zed, you were horribly mispositioned in the first place. On May 01 2015 02:28 Ketara wrote: Sounds like wei has PTSD from Zed matchups. lol no, i just play super far back against zed matchups, and if i get blown up i don't go around bitching about 15% crit is the reason why I died to a zed. it's like people bitching about veigar's instastun from his E before his rework. GUESS WHAT THE COUNTERPLAY IS? DON'T BE IN RANGE. | ||
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oo_Wonderful_oo
The land of freedom23126 Posts
On May 01 2015 02:36 Fildun wrote: Situation 5: Your team is around the ADC and as soon as Zed ults he gets blown up, and the ADC wouldn't die unless Zed gets 2 crits in a row. That sounds like some of Thomas More books. | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
On May 01 2015 02:38 wei2coolman wrote: and that's why i said the crit from zed from ghostblade is pretty inconsequential to how the game plays out, also if you're getting auto'd twice by zed, you were horribly mispositioned in the first place. lol no, i just play super far back against zed matchups, and if i get blown up i don't go around bitching about 15% crit is the reason why I died to a zed. it's like people bitching about veigar's instastun from his E before his rework. GUESS WHAT THE COUNTERPLAY IS? DON'T BE IN RANGE. lol User was warned for this post | ||
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