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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
April 30 2015 08:57 GMT
#241
On April 30 2015 17:49 nafta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2015 17:38 Alaric wrote:
On April 30 2015 13:42 Ketara wrote:
Honestly, if anything the way this new Ashe crit works is more or less the way crit should work for everyone.

I'd be happy to dip into some koolaid theory that this is Riot trying to test something that they may later do for everyone.

It's like people don't read posts.
3rd time in the thread, some red posted one or two weeks ago about how they don't want to remove crits because despite the RNG effect they like the visceral feeling of these big numbers with different animations and font, etc. and they like the idea of fishing for crits in lane or during poke to try and capitalise on, along with the you-never-know chance that the enemy with Zerks, IE and Zeal doesn't crit once while you, behind, crit thrice in a row with only IE and win the fight, letting you catch up a bit.

Damn they are even stupider than I thought.You know what is fun in a competetive game?Completely random factors that you can't control .Next time when zed crits me 2 times with his ghostblade after I qss his ult I should be happy and not annoyed.

Never liked trist a very stupid champion and now she just feels meh compared to any of the good ads.

Misplay vs zed match up.
better blame the 15% crit.
liftlift > tsm
Prog
Profile Joined December 2009
United Kingdom1470 Posts
April 30 2015 09:14 GMT
#242
I liked the old Tristana more purely because AP Trist was fun.
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
April 30 2015 09:19 GMT
#243
On April 30 2015 17:57 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2015 17:49 nafta wrote:
On April 30 2015 17:38 Alaric wrote:
On April 30 2015 13:42 Ketara wrote:
Honestly, if anything the way this new Ashe crit works is more or less the way crit should work for everyone.

I'd be happy to dip into some koolaid theory that this is Riot trying to test something that they may later do for everyone.

It's like people don't read posts.
3rd time in the thread, some red posted one or two weeks ago about how they don't want to remove crits because despite the RNG effect they like the visceral feeling of these big numbers with different animations and font, etc. and they like the idea of fishing for crits in lane or during poke to try and capitalise on, along with the you-never-know chance that the enemy with Zerks, IE and Zeal doesn't crit once while you, behind, crit thrice in a row with only IE and win the fight, letting you catch up a bit.

Damn they are even stupider than I thought.You know what is fun in a competetive game?Completely random factors that you can't control .Next time when zed crits me 2 times with his ghostblade after I qss his ult I should be happy and not annoyed.

Never liked trist a very stupid champion and now she just feels meh compared to any of the good ads.

Misplay vs zed match up.
better blame the 15% crit.

?
oo_Wonderful_oo
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
The land of freedom23126 Posts
April 30 2015 09:32 GMT
#244
On April 30 2015 18:14 Prog wrote:
I liked the old Tristana more purely because AP Trist was fun.


And then I thought that Slusher is filthy because of rocking Fizz icon and loving Sion.
LiquidLegends StaffFPL 25 #1 | tfw I cast games on-air | back-to-back Liquibet winner
Fildun
Profile Joined December 2012
Netherlands4124 Posts
April 30 2015 09:33 GMT
#245
Wei2 has these moments where he just utters bullshit, ignore him.
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
April 30 2015 09:48 GMT
#246
Was just interested to see how was he trying to troll me.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
April 30 2015 11:52 GMT
#247
On April 30 2015 17:49 nafta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2015 17:38 Alaric wrote:
On April 30 2015 13:42 Ketara wrote:
Honestly, if anything the way this new Ashe crit works is more or less the way crit should work for everyone.

I'd be happy to dip into some koolaid theory that this is Riot trying to test something that they may later do for everyone.

It's like people don't read posts.
3rd time in the thread, some red posted one or two weeks ago about how they don't want to remove crits because despite the RNG effect they like the visceral feeling of these big numbers with different animations and font, etc. and they like the idea of fishing for crits in lane or during poke to try and capitalise on, along with the you-never-know chance that the enemy with Zerks, IE and Zeal doesn't crit once while you, behind, crit thrice in a row with only IE and win the fight, letting you catch up a bit.

Damn they are even stupider than I thought.You know what is fun in a competetive game?Completely random factors that you can't control .Next time when zed crits me 2 times with his ghostblade after I qss his ult I should be happy and not annoyed.

Never liked trist a very stupid champion and now she just feels meh compared to any of the good ads.

It's almost like the competitive side of the game is just advertisement for the commercial side of it.. oh, wait.
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-30 12:04:21
April 30 2015 12:03 GMT
#248
On April 30 2015 20:52 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2015 17:49 nafta wrote:
On April 30 2015 17:38 Alaric wrote:
On April 30 2015 13:42 Ketara wrote:
Honestly, if anything the way this new Ashe crit works is more or less the way crit should work for everyone.

I'd be happy to dip into some koolaid theory that this is Riot trying to test something that they may later do for everyone.

It's like people don't read posts.
3rd time in the thread, some red posted one or two weeks ago about how they don't want to remove crits because despite the RNG effect they like the visceral feeling of these big numbers with different animations and font, etc. and they like the idea of fishing for crits in lane or during poke to try and capitalise on, along with the you-never-know chance that the enemy with Zerks, IE and Zeal doesn't crit once while you, behind, crit thrice in a row with only IE and win the fight, letting you catch up a bit.

Damn they are even stupider than I thought.You know what is fun in a competetive game?Completely random factors that you can't control .Next time when zed crits me 2 times with his ghostblade after I qss his ult I should be happy and not annoyed.

Never liked trist a very stupid champion and now she just feels meh compared to any of the good ads.

It's almost like the competitive side of the game is just advertisement for the commercial side of it.. oh, wait.

If there was a large demand for crit to be in the game I would buy that but I have never seen even a single person who likes this aspect.

If I am wrong and most people actually want crit in the game I would be able to see why riot aren't removing it.
Ansibled
Profile Joined November 2014
United Kingdom9872 Posts
April 30 2015 12:07 GMT
#249
I really doubt they're removing crit anytime soon.
'StarCraft is just a fairy tale told to scare children actually.'
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Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
April 30 2015 12:23 GMT
#250
On April 30 2015 21:03 nafta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2015 20:52 Gahlo wrote:
On April 30 2015 17:49 nafta wrote:
On April 30 2015 17:38 Alaric wrote:
On April 30 2015 13:42 Ketara wrote:
Honestly, if anything the way this new Ashe crit works is more or less the way crit should work for everyone.

I'd be happy to dip into some koolaid theory that this is Riot trying to test something that they may later do for everyone.

It's like people don't read posts.
3rd time in the thread, some red posted one or two weeks ago about how they don't want to remove crits because despite the RNG effect they like the visceral feeling of these big numbers with different animations and font, etc. and they like the idea of fishing for crits in lane or during poke to try and capitalise on, along with the you-never-know chance that the enemy with Zerks, IE and Zeal doesn't crit once while you, behind, crit thrice in a row with only IE and win the fight, letting you catch up a bit.

Damn they are even stupider than I thought.You know what is fun in a competetive game?Completely random factors that you can't control .Next time when zed crits me 2 times with his ghostblade after I qss his ult I should be happy and not annoyed.

Never liked trist a very stupid champion and now she just feels meh compared to any of the good ads.

It's almost like the competitive side of the game is just advertisement for the commercial side of it.. oh, wait.

If there was a large demand for crit to be in the game I would buy that but I have never seen even a single person who likes this aspect.

If I am wrong and most people actually want crit in the game I would be able to see why riot aren't removing it.

Except people that complain about crit are a vocal minority. People that want it removed will voice their opinion loudly because they're upset. People that want it in the game or don't care one way or another don't because a) there isn't anything to change or b) expressing that opinion in most formats causes people to garner harassment in one form or another.
Prog
Profile Joined December 2009
United Kingdom1470 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-30 12:35:12
April 30 2015 12:34 GMT
#251
On April 30 2015 21:03 nafta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2015 20:52 Gahlo wrote:
On April 30 2015 17:49 nafta wrote:
On April 30 2015 17:38 Alaric wrote:
On April 30 2015 13:42 Ketara wrote:
Honestly, if anything the way this new Ashe crit works is more or less the way crit should work for everyone.

I'd be happy to dip into some koolaid theory that this is Riot trying to test something that they may later do for everyone.

It's like people don't read posts.
3rd time in the thread, some red posted one or two weeks ago about how they don't want to remove crits because despite the RNG effect they like the visceral feeling of these big numbers with different animations and font, etc. and they like the idea of fishing for crits in lane or during poke to try and capitalise on, along with the you-never-know chance that the enemy with Zerks, IE and Zeal doesn't crit once while you, behind, crit thrice in a row with only IE and win the fight, letting you catch up a bit.

Damn they are even stupider than I thought.You know what is fun in a competetive game?Completely random factors that you can't control .Next time when zed crits me 2 times with his ghostblade after I qss his ult I should be happy and not annoyed.

Never liked trist a very stupid champion and now she just feels meh compared to any of the good ads.

It's almost like the competitive side of the game is just advertisement for the commercial side of it.. oh, wait.

If there was a large demand for crit to be in the game I would buy that but I have never seen even a single person who likes this aspect.

If I am wrong and most people actually want crit in the game I would be able to see why riot aren't removing it.


I like crits. I already liked crits in wc3. The simple chance to have a clutch crit decide a situation creates excitement in my opinion. When thinking of crit I see a team that is behind making a ridiculous comeback by getting a lucky crit. Sure, you can argue that in this case the team did not win by skill at all which is obviously correct. But I see league foremost as entertainment and crits surely can be entertaining.

It is similar with some traditional outdoor sports in which circumstances beyond the athletes control can influence the competition (weather conditions for example). You have factors that make the competition more volatile, which makes for higher chances of upsets. Thereby it can give rise to additional storylines. And if you are a fan of a generally weaker team/athlete it may also give you something to hope for.
Uldridge
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Belgium5232 Posts
April 30 2015 13:33 GMT
#252
I agree with all the points Prog said. Also, crit isn't true RNG the way Riot codes it. Also, if you want to whine about crit, do it when it's only at the IE powerspike. As soon as you get Shiv or PD it's useless to get upset about the RNG factor since it's too damn high.
Sure you could say that critting with your first shiv proc on an ap or ad will render him useless in a fight, but adc vs adc tends to be only like 5 aa's anyway, decided by who gets the first hit off (granted, in this example all skills are on cd so you can only aa)
Taxes are for Terrans
Fildun
Profile Joined December 2012
Netherlands4124 Posts
April 30 2015 13:36 GMT
#253
I do agree with nafta that giving melee assassins like Zed crit chance is stupid though. Besides that I agree with Prog.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
April 30 2015 13:38 GMT
#254
Had a game yesterday when I barely managed to escape from a Kassadin and kill him after te team got him fed, there comes Vayne with a Tumble-aa as I run away right before our Naut roots her... 15% crit, the auto kills me. Yeah these cases suck, they're rare though.
I'm much more annoyed at the critlords who get a triplet in a row with only ghostblade, that's a RNG-gifted teamfight there.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23460 Posts
April 30 2015 13:46 GMT
#255
people don't GIVE assassins crit its more like they remade ghostblade to make it better for ranged when it was normally intended by chasing/autoing melees like yi or something but because ti gives a flat duration of movement people use it on rengar and zed and stuff to just close the gap like ghost
can just take crit off ghostblade it never needed to be there anyway
aka Teutonica
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
April 30 2015 14:55 GMT
#256
On April 30 2015 18:33 Fildun wrote:
Wei2 has these moments where he just utters bullshit, ignore him.



User was warned for this post
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-30 15:07:15
April 30 2015 15:03 GMT
#257
On April 30 2015 22:33 Uldridge wrote:
I agree with all the points Prog said. Also, crit isn't true RNG the way Riot codes it. Also, if you want to whine about crit, do it when it's only at the IE powerspike. As soon as you get Shiv or PD it's useless to get upset about the RNG factor since it's too damn high.
Sure you could say that critting with your first shiv proc on an ap or ad will render him useless in a fight, but adc vs adc tends to be only like 5 aa's anyway, decided by who gets the first hit off (granted, in this example all skills are on cd so you can only aa)

I dunno it probably has a lot to do with my selective memory(since if I get lucky it just feels undeserved so I ignore it) and when you get 1 crit out of 5 autos as caitlyn after dodging 4 corki skillshots and he just get 2 crits out of 4 autos with tri/bt and you lose it really sticks out.Or when you flash and sidestep rengar's shit and he just flash>auto crits you it is really frustating.Personally for me when someone wins with a factor from the outside like a lucky crit streak it just feels cheap and just adds shallow upset.Don't really understand what is exciting about that but if I am in the minority can't really do anything about it.I know every single pro ad has been whining about crit ever since ie first became standart again but riot clearly don't think it is an issue.

Also in general especially with zed very often he just 2 out of 2 auto crits and just kills someone and very often fans/commentators completely ignore that he just got lucky and praise him like it had anything to do with him which is really fucking stupid(hai vs tsm last split in the finals for example).
AlterKot
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
Poland7525 Posts
April 30 2015 15:06 GMT
#258
Didn't the summer NA LCS final come down to RNG as well :> ?
Americans don't like to use unblockables, it is considered not honest. You press a button at the wrong time and hit the other person, you are random, not a top player. You DP Sim's far fierce, it is random and not honest.
Ansibled
Profile Joined November 2014
United Kingdom9872 Posts
April 30 2015 15:07 GMT
#259
On May 01 2015 00:06 AlterKot wrote:
Didn't the summer NA LCS final come down to RNG as well :> ?

No, that was just a display of WTs mechanical skill.
'StarCraft is just a fairy tale told to scare children actually.'
TL+ Member
Kaethis
Profile Joined January 2015
Netherlands112 Posts
April 30 2015 15:10 GMT
#260
On the Crit discussion:

I remember an article I read a while ago that attempted to analyze why football (soccer for you Americans) was the most popular sport in the world. The best thing they could come up with was that in football, out of all the sports that are played at a professional level (and that they analysed obviously) the team that is better on paper is least likely to win. So football is popular because it's more random.

How is that relevant here? Dunno, but randomness isn't always a bad thing.
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