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On April 30 2015 17:49 nafta wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2015 17:38 Alaric wrote:On April 30 2015 13:42 Ketara wrote:
Honestly, if anything the way this new Ashe crit works is more or less the way crit should work for everyone.
I'd be happy to dip into some koolaid theory that this is Riot trying to test something that they may later do for everyone. It's like people don't read posts. 3rd time in the thread, some red posted one or two weeks ago about how they don't want to remove crits because despite the RNG effect they like the visceral feeling of these big numbers with different animations and font, etc. and they like the idea of fishing for crits in lane or during poke to try and capitalise on, along with the you-never-know chance that the enemy with Zerks, IE and Zeal doesn't crit once while you, behind, crit thrice in a row with only IE and win the fight, letting you catch up a bit. Damn they are even stupider than I thought.You know what is fun in a competetive game?Completely random factors that you can't control  .Next time when zed crits me 2 times with his ghostblade after I qss his ult I should be happy and not annoyed. Never liked trist a very stupid champion and now she just feels meh compared to any of the good ads.
Misplay vs zed match up.
better blame the 15% crit.
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I liked the old Tristana more purely because AP Trist was fun.
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On April 30 2015 17:57 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2015 17:49 nafta wrote:On April 30 2015 17:38 Alaric wrote:On April 30 2015 13:42 Ketara wrote:
Honestly, if anything the way this new Ashe crit works is more or less the way crit should work for everyone.
I'd be happy to dip into some koolaid theory that this is Riot trying to test something that they may later do for everyone. It's like people don't read posts. 3rd time in the thread, some red posted one or two weeks ago about how they don't want to remove crits because despite the RNG effect they like the visceral feeling of these big numbers with different animations and font, etc. and they like the idea of fishing for crits in lane or during poke to try and capitalise on, along with the you-never-know chance that the enemy with Zerks, IE and Zeal doesn't crit once while you, behind, crit thrice in a row with only IE and win the fight, letting you catch up a bit. Damn they are even stupider than I thought.You know what is fun in a competetive game?Completely random factors that you can't control .Next time when zed crits me 2 times with his ghostblade after I qss his ult I should be happy and not annoyed. Never liked trist a very stupid champion and now she just feels meh compared to any of the good ads. Misplay vs zed match up. better blame the 15% crit.
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On April 30 2015 18:14 Prog wrote:
I liked the old Tristana more purely because AP Trist was fun.
And then I thought that Slusher is filthy because of rocking Fizz icon and loving Sion.
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Wei2 has these moments where he just utters bullshit, ignore him.
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Was just interested to see how was he trying to troll me.
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On April 30 2015 17:49 nafta wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2015 17:38 Alaric wrote:On April 30 2015 13:42 Ketara wrote:
Honestly, if anything the way this new Ashe crit works is more or less the way crit should work for everyone.
I'd be happy to dip into some koolaid theory that this is Riot trying to test something that they may later do for everyone. It's like people don't read posts. 3rd time in the thread, some red posted one or two weeks ago about how they don't want to remove crits because despite the RNG effect they like the visceral feeling of these big numbers with different animations and font, etc. and they like the idea of fishing for crits in lane or during poke to try and capitalise on, along with the you-never-know chance that the enemy with Zerks, IE and Zeal doesn't crit once while you, behind, crit thrice in a row with only IE and win the fight, letting you catch up a bit. Damn they are even stupider than I thought.You know what is fun in a competetive game?Completely random factors that you can't control .Next time when zed crits me 2 times with his ghostblade after I qss his ult I should be happy and not annoyed. Never liked trist a very stupid champion and now she just feels meh compared to any of the good ads.
It's almost like the competitive side of the game is just advertisement for the commercial side of it.. oh, wait.
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On April 30 2015 20:52 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2015 17:49 nafta wrote:On April 30 2015 17:38 Alaric wrote:On April 30 2015 13:42 Ketara wrote:
Honestly, if anything the way this new Ashe crit works is more or less the way crit should work for everyone.
I'd be happy to dip into some koolaid theory that this is Riot trying to test something that they may later do for everyone. It's like people don't read posts. 3rd time in the thread, some red posted one or two weeks ago about how they don't want to remove crits because despite the RNG effect they like the visceral feeling of these big numbers with different animations and font, etc. and they like the idea of fishing for crits in lane or during poke to try and capitalise on, along with the you-never-know chance that the enemy with Zerks, IE and Zeal doesn't crit once while you, behind, crit thrice in a row with only IE and win the fight, letting you catch up a bit. Damn they are even stupider than I thought.You know what is fun in a competetive game?Completely random factors that you can't control .Next time when zed crits me 2 times with his ghostblade after I qss his ult I should be happy and not annoyed. Never liked trist a very stupid champion and now she just feels meh compared to any of the good ads. It's almost like the competitive side of the game is just advertisement for the commercial side of it.. oh, wait.
If there was a large demand for crit to be in the game I would buy that but I have never seen even a single person who likes this aspect.
If I am wrong and most people actually want crit in the game I would be able to see why riot aren't removing it.
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I really doubt they're removing crit anytime soon.
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On April 30 2015 21:03 nafta wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2015 20:52 Gahlo wrote:On April 30 2015 17:49 nafta wrote:On April 30 2015 17:38 Alaric wrote:On April 30 2015 13:42 Ketara wrote:
Honestly, if anything the way this new Ashe crit works is more or less the way crit should work for everyone.
I'd be happy to dip into some koolaid theory that this is Riot trying to test something that they may later do for everyone. It's like people don't read posts. 3rd time in the thread, some red posted one or two weeks ago about how they don't want to remove crits because despite the RNG effect they like the visceral feeling of these big numbers with different animations and font, etc. and they like the idea of fishing for crits in lane or during poke to try and capitalise on, along with the you-never-know chance that the enemy with Zerks, IE and Zeal doesn't crit once while you, behind, crit thrice in a row with only IE and win the fight, letting you catch up a bit. Damn they are even stupider than I thought.You know what is fun in a competetive game?Completely random factors that you can't control .Next time when zed crits me 2 times with his ghostblade after I qss his ult I should be happy and not annoyed. Never liked trist a very stupid champion and now she just feels meh compared to any of the good ads. It's almost like the competitive side of the game is just advertisement for the commercial side of it.. oh, wait. If there was a large demand for crit to be in the game I would buy that but I have never seen even a single person who likes this aspect. If I am wrong and most people actually want crit in the game I would be able to see why riot aren't removing it.
Except people that complain about crit are a vocal minority. People that want it removed will voice their opinion loudly because they're upset. People that want it in the game or don't care one way or another don't because a) there isn't anything to change or b) expressing that opinion in most formats causes people to garner harassment in one form or another.
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On April 30 2015 21:03 nafta wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2015 20:52 Gahlo wrote:On April 30 2015 17:49 nafta wrote:On April 30 2015 17:38 Alaric wrote:On April 30 2015 13:42 Ketara wrote:
Honestly, if anything the way this new Ashe crit works is more or less the way crit should work for everyone.
I'd be happy to dip into some koolaid theory that this is Riot trying to test something that they may later do for everyone. It's like people don't read posts. 3rd time in the thread, some red posted one or two weeks ago about how they don't want to remove crits because despite the RNG effect they like the visceral feeling of these big numbers with different animations and font, etc. and they like the idea of fishing for crits in lane or during poke to try and capitalise on, along with the you-never-know chance that the enemy with Zerks, IE and Zeal doesn't crit once while you, behind, crit thrice in a row with only IE and win the fight, letting you catch up a bit. Damn they are even stupider than I thought.You know what is fun in a competetive game?Completely random factors that you can't control .Next time when zed crits me 2 times with his ghostblade after I qss his ult I should be happy and not annoyed. Never liked trist a very stupid champion and now she just feels meh compared to any of the good ads. It's almost like the competitive side of the game is just advertisement for the commercial side of it.. oh, wait. If there was a large demand for crit to be in the game I would buy that but I have never seen even a single person who likes this aspect. If I am wrong and most people actually want crit in the game I would be able to see why riot aren't removing it.
I like crits. I already liked crits in wc3. The simple chance to have a clutch crit decide a situation creates excitement in my opinion. When thinking of crit I see a team that is behind making a ridiculous comeback by getting a lucky crit. Sure, you can argue that in this case the team did not win by skill at all which is obviously correct. But I see league foremost as entertainment and crits surely can be entertaining.
It is similar with some traditional outdoor sports in which circumstances beyond the athletes control can influence the competition (weather conditions for example). You have factors that make the competition more volatile, which makes for higher chances of upsets. Thereby it can give rise to additional storylines. And if you are a fan of a generally weaker team/athlete it may also give you something to hope for.
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I agree with all the points Prog said. Also, crit isn't true RNG the way Riot codes it. Also, if you want to whine about crit, do it when it's only at the IE powerspike. As soon as you get Shiv or PD it's useless to get upset about the RNG factor since it's too damn high.
Sure you could say that critting with your first shiv proc on an ap or ad will render him useless in a fight, but adc vs adc tends to be only like 5 aa's anyway, decided by who gets the first hit off (granted, in this example all skills are on cd so you can only aa)
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I do agree with nafta that giving melee assassins like Zed crit chance is stupid though. Besides that I agree with Prog.
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Had a game yesterday when I barely managed to escape from a Kassadin and kill him after te team got him fed, there comes Vayne with a Tumble-aa as I run away right before our Naut roots her... 15% crit, the auto kills me. Yeah these cases suck, they're rare though.
I'm much more annoyed at the critlords who get a triplet in a row with only ghostblade, that's a RNG-gifted teamfight there.
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people don't GIVE assassins crit its more like they remade ghostblade to make it better for ranged when it was normally intended by chasing/autoing melees like yi or something but because ti gives a flat duration of movement people use it on rengar and zed and stuff to just close the gap like ghost
can just take crit off ghostblade it never needed to be there anyway
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On April 30 2015 18:33 Fildun wrote:
Wei2 has these moments where he just utters bullshit, ignore him.
User was warned for this post
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On April 30 2015 22:33 Uldridge wrote:
I agree with all the points Prog said. Also, crit isn't true RNG the way Riot codes it. Also, if you want to whine about crit, do it when it's only at the IE powerspike. As soon as you get Shiv or PD it's useless to get upset about the RNG factor since it's too damn high.
Sure you could say that critting with your first shiv proc on an ap or ad will render him useless in a fight, but adc vs adc tends to be only like 5 aa's anyway, decided by who gets the first hit off (granted, in this example all skills are on cd so you can only aa)
I dunno it probably has a lot to do with my selective memory(since if I get lucky it just feels undeserved so I ignore it) and when you get 1 crit out of 5 autos as caitlyn after dodging 4 corki skillshots and he just get 2 crits out of 4 autos with tri/bt and you lose it really sticks out.Or when you flash and sidestep rengar's shit and he just flash>auto crits you it is really frustating.Personally for me when someone wins with a factor from the outside like a lucky crit streak it just feels cheap and just adds shallow upset.Don't really understand what is exciting about that but if I am in the minority can't really do anything about it.I know every single pro ad has been whining about crit ever since ie first became standart again but riot clearly don't think it is an issue.
Also in general especially with zed very often he just 2 out of 2 auto crits and just kills someone and very often fans/commentators completely ignore that he just got lucky and praise him like it had anything to do with him which is really fucking stupid(hai vs tsm last split in the finals for example).
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Didn't the summer NA LCS final come down to RNG as well :> ?
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On May 01 2015 00:06 AlterKot wrote:
Didn't the summer NA LCS final come down to RNG as well :> ?
No, that was just a display of WTs mechanical skill.
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On the Crit discussion:
I remember an article I read a while ago that attempted to analyze why football (soccer for you Americans) was the most popular sport in the world. The best thing they could come up with was that in football, out of all the sports that are played at a professional level (and that they analysed obviously) the team that is better on paper is least likely to win. So football is popular because it's more random.
How is that relevant here? Dunno, but randomness isn't always a bad thing.
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