EPTExactly, thank god feeding never loses game, I would be in a bad spot if that was the case !
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mr_tolkien
France8631 Posts
Exactly, thank god feeding never loses game, I would be in a bad spot if that was the case ! | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23460 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
Getting camped sucks though. Nautilus is somewhat easily "countered" by going to fight him. You don't need to kill him or anything. If you steal his blue, or make him oom by forcing him to cast a couple abilities, it slows down his farming tremendously during the first 2 clears. If you play a non-mana intensive jungler you can also just do that, poke him a bit so he spends mana, and he won't be able to go back to the jungle (he'll likely recall even if he's full health because oom Naut farms too slowly... I mean he waves his anchor and pretends to farm), and you're then free to gank knowing he won't participate. Alternatively, if he counterganks or something, he'll get oom in the process, so you can just stop fighting, and then gank again or steal this half of the map while he's in base. I've only seen one guy do it to me, and it was only trying to steal my blue, and because he was running some cheese, it didn't seem specific to me playing Nautilus. I'm doing pretty well in lane as Braum but teamfights just don't cut it... obviously, against shit like Sion who can't do much to begin with sadly, and you can't keep up with Vayne's mobility for example to keep blocking her autos (or catch up to her if she stumbles past you). Hitting more ults is really important, and managing E cd properly too to make sure I maximise how much I block (I tend to use it just for the damage reduction), and I'm failing at both of these. Are there particular points to playing out teamfights about him? Positioning, switching targets or keep bodyblocking one, etc. ? I usually win the lane (or stabilise if we lose early) but my winrate with him is still low (only 3-5, think I only lost lane once out of these) because if people get caught or decide to split up in fights it feels like my peeling and damage are too low to make up for that. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On April 09 2015 05:11 Kinie wrote: A thought: do you guys think we'll see more jungle invades on the pro scene from 5.7 onwards, simply because the first clear is so rough and if you kill a jungler in the early levels he's basically useless for little more than laying wards down for the next 5-10 minutes? Not really. Jungle follow meta makes early jungling ezpz. | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
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Slayer91
Ireland23460 Posts
On April 09 2015 06:30 Alaric wrote: I play assuming I won't receive ganks, but will get ganked by the enemy jungler if I step too far. Getting camped sucks though. Nautilus is somewhat easily "countered" by going to fight him. You don't need to kill him or anything. If you steal his blue, or make him oom by forcing him to cast a couple abilities, it slows down his farming tremendously during the first 2 clears. If you play a non-mana intensive jungler you can also just do that, poke him a bit so he spends mana, and he won't be able to go back to the jungle (he'll likely recall even if he's full health because oom Naut farms too slowly... I mean he waves his anchor and pretends to farm), and you're then free to gank knowing he won't participate. Alternatively, if he counterganks or something, he'll get oom in the process, so you can just stop fighting, and then gank again or steal this half of the map while he's in base. I've only seen one guy do it to me, and it was only trying to steal my blue, and because he was running some cheese, it didn't seem specific to me playing Nautilus. I'm doing pretty well in lane as Braum but teamfights just don't cut it... obviously, against shit like Sion who can't do much to begin with sadly, and you can't keep up with Vayne's mobility for example to keep blocking her autos (or catch up to her if she stumbles past you). Hitting more ults is really important, and managing E cd properly too to make sure I maximise how much I block (I tend to use it just for the damage reduction), and I'm failing at both of these. Are there particular points to playing out teamfights about him? Positioning, switching targets or keep bodyblocking one, etc. ? I usually win the lane (or stabilise if we lose early) but my winrate with him is still low (only 3-5, think I only lost lane once out of these) because if people get caught or decide to split up in fights it feels like my peeling and damage are too low to make up for that. trying to fight a jungler in his own jungler usually sucks because team can collapse and its really hard to kill if he palys smart use trinket where its most likely you will get ganked there's a reason bad players often talk about counterjungling but the higher you go the less you see it it needs to be a team coordinated play because theres no way you can outrun someone to their own jungle in normal conditions | ||
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Goumindong
United States3529 Posts
On April 09 2015 05:56 Slayer91 wrote: support is the least liked role most players find it less fun to play This is because they don't hate everyone. The goal of the support player is to make every member of the enemy team have no fun. Only then can you truly be a support main | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
Trying to kill him is very feasible too since he's super slow and his base HP isn't that good and the shield is worse (and not maxed) now, but you don't need that at all. | ||
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Mikau
Netherlands1446 Posts
Is it viable or am I gimping myself if I 'refuse' to learn TriForce? | ||
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Uldridge
Belgium5232 Posts
On April 09 2015 08:14 Mikau wrote: What do people here think of going for a 'traditional adc' Kog'maw build? Say IE into PD into BT/LW? I only ever see professionals go for something like TriForce into BotRK, but whenever I try that I feel really week at all points of the game. The only time when I consider it is when I'm getting shut down so hard that I can't get enough money together for a BF sword like ever (though going TF seems like it relies on the power spike, so that in itself is probably bad). Is it viable or am I gimping myself if I 'refuse' to learn TriForce? I think if you start IE for example, you're going to hit hard, but you're gonna die really, really fast since you don't have any kind of movement. The only kiting ability you got is a line of ooze and hope that your team peels for you. Trinity Force in itself isn't THAT strong imo, but Botrk after that is like one of the strongest powerspikes in the game for him (imo). You spit on someone, put on your long range and you chunk ANYONE for at least 14% of their health. You kill squishies in about 4 hits. They go TF on kog because it just gives everything he needs, literally every stat on it is good for him. And if you combine it with Botrk, dayuuuuuuuum son. Then you get PD and IE and you just destroy people, it's not even pretty anymore. I've been playing alot of Kog lately as well and here is my question: why would people want to max e second instead of q? Attack speed buff + armor/mr shred seems + damage seems to be stronger, no? Or is it just for the extra %slow it applies? | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
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ShaLLoW[baY]
Canada12499 Posts
On April 08 2015 17:59 Meedio wrote: That's funny, I played this matchup the other day because Vladimir was on the Teemo "counters" list on champion.gg and he was the only one I was somewhat familiar with. I play top lane very rarely but honestly the matchup felt quite easy - trades were pretty much even early on and post revolver I could just push him in all day and never let him have any map pressure. What's your trick to winning the matchup? I mean, I don't know if it's a trick or anything, I just never felt real pressure in the matchup until he had Cowl. When he uses E to keep Tides stacks up, or uses Q to last hit, just walk up and auto Q auto him. I maxed Q first and just outtraded him so hard. This is from....three or four games at Plat 5 level. I picked Teemo not necessarily as a counter but just because it's one of the few Vlad matchups I have experience in. | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
On April 09 2015 08:14 Mikau wrote: What do people here think of going for a 'traditional adc' Kog'maw build? Say IE into PD into BT/LW? I only ever see professionals go for something like TriForce into BotRK, but whenever I try that I feel really weak at all points of the game. The only time when I consider it is when I'm getting shut down so hard that I can't get enough money together for a BF sword like ever (though going TF seems like it relies on the power spike, so that in itself is probably bad). Is it viable or am I gimping myself if I 'refuse' to learn TriForce? The trinity build on him is quite good. Your late game will always be awesome, but your mid Game is quite scary with the trinity. | ||
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justiceknight
Singapore5741 Posts
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
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kongoline
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ShaLLoW[baY]
Canada12499 Posts
On April 09 2015 11:06 kongoline wrote: im scared they will nerf to shit champions like sejuani,gragas etc when its pretty clear that cinderhulk is the problem they're going to nerf both dude this is riot we're talking about | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
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