EPT[Patch 5.7] More Executes General Discussion - Page 11
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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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mr_tolkien
France8631 Posts
Didn't come across that earlier. It's a pretty good analysis tool. EDIT : get on my level teut http://imgur.com/ct5GvEH | ||
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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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Prog
United Kingdom1470 Posts
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mr_tolkien
France8631 Posts
On April 09 2015 20:20 Prog wrote: We had this page here before and I still don't see how it should be a "good analysis tool" whatsoever. It's a fun little tool and reminds for some reason of pokemon stats, but that's about it. It's a decent tool to mesure a shitton of metrics related to your gameplay. Understanding them and getting tangible input from them is a bit harder though, I have to agree. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
You don't even need to go into their advanced metrics or whatever to see it, just notice how Tactician = Supporter with farm and assists, Carry = Fighter with kills, or whatever they like to call these, I don't remember. It was ridiculous. Worst thing is they pretend they can use these metrics to give you lessons to improve. It's like determining who's good at being built AD by looking at base stats and calling Maokai a good candidate because of his AD and AS. | ||
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mr_tolkien
France8631 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
They're also pretending to interpret it and give conclusions with the way they link numbers to so-and-so "role" and the descriptions. "Action score"? "Objective control"? They give arbitrary numbers and don't even tell you how they obtain them! Its conclusions with no value whatsoever. Even when they explain it, like with "farming %", it's garbage because it's skewed by the support and jungle games, it'd also be much better split by won/lost games, and roles. You don't hit the same cs over a typical game as LB or Swain than as Zed or Ziggs. Giving average cs/own monsters killed doesn't mean much (unless you can assume their "% of jungle games", "% of non-support/jungler games" are accurate to manually rebuild it). "You see X % of the map"? Really? How dumb is that? Even if the vision wasn't a teamwide thing that can't tell many things on you, the criterion used is so inane. | ||
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General_Winter
United States719 Posts
The Black Cleaver Phage + Kindlegem + 825 gold (3000 gold total) +400 Health +40 Attack Damage +20% Cooldown Reduction UNIQUE Passive: Dealing physical damage to an enemy champion Cleaves them, reducing their Armor by 5% for 6 seconds (stacks up to 6 times, up to 30%). UNIQUE Passive - Rage: Dealing physical damage grants 20 movement speed for 2 seconds. Assists on Cleaved enemy champions or kills on any unit grant 80 movement speed for 4 seconds instead. This movement speed is halved for ranged champions. Do you think this fits into a Rammus build order? The health is nice and goes well with cinderhulk. The speed boast would help being sticky in ganks. The CDR is nice as well and makes it a lot easier to get to 40%. And finally the armor shred could be good in alte game teamfights where you are peeling / CCing for the ADC since you would also be softening up their armor to make them easier for your adc to kill. | ||
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Prog
United Kingdom1470 Posts
Maybe some use on Olaf though? Although I'm not sure one wants a 2nd offensive item after warriors on any jungler when not snowballing. Perhaps one could give cinderhulk + cleaver a go, but that makes for way less gank pressure. | ||
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Bearded Elder29905 Posts
My faith in League community is restored. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
On April 09 2015 23:04 Prog wrote: What this item could do in ganks is completely irrelevant, because when you get it laning phase is long gone and only teamfights matter. I have no idea whether it is good in teamfights. It's great for cleanup, but that's not really what you pick rammus for. Maybe some use on Olaf though? Although I'm not sure one wants a 2nd offensive item after warriors on any jungler when not snowballing. Perhaps one could give cinderhulk + cleaver a go, but that makes for way less gank pressure. at a minimum it opens the door to casual phage which is pretty nice for snowballing a lead as a bruiser. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
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Sonnington
United States1107 Posts
Pros: +10%cdr +1 extra stack of armour shred +2 seconds(50%increase) of armour shred debuff +200hp +Rage Passive Cons: -10 AD -10 Armour Pen For the exact same price. Has an item ever been buffed this heavily before? | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
Armor pen calc changes and some small buffs later yommu is pretty good | ||
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
Ryze Q as a skillshot, somehow this felt like an expected move. Will have to see numbers obviously http://www.surrenderat20.net/2015/04/49-pbe-update.html#more Ryze's rework seems to be up on PBE, website not quite updates with all the numbers right now | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On April 10 2015 02:59 cLutZ wrote: The lack of a second phage item has been problematic for a while, but they decided to fix that by creating a lack of a second brutalizer item? weird. I don't see how it's a "problem" for an item to have only 1 upgrade. When it lost the ability to upgrade to Frozen Mallet, did it matter? Who legitimately built FM since the change outside of Gnar in niche situations? Similarly, the only champion that I see hurt by new BC build path is Urgot because if he wants to keep using Brutalizer he MUST upgrade it to a Ghostblade. However, this is a different situation because Brutalizer is a 100% core part of his build. On April 10 2015 03:28 Sonnington wrote: I thought Riot said 20% cdr items were too OP and removed almost all of them. So lets weigh the pros and cons of this BC Pros: +10%cdr +1 extra stack of armour shred +2 seconds(50%increase) of armour shred debuff +200hp +Rage Passive Cons: -10 AD -10 Armour Pen For the exact same price. Has an item ever been buffed this heavily before? Wasn't the only 20% CDR they removed Spirit Visage and Talisman? Talisman was an issue because the items it directly competed against had 0 or 10% at the time and SV was deemed OP when it got nerfed. I don't think an item's been buffed this hard, but BC's been a pretty lackluster item ever since they overnerfed it in the Cleaver Fever days. | ||
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Ansibled
United Kingdom9872 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
I mean, at this point that's just confirmation or another step of rot. | ||
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
On April 10 2015 04:09 Ansibled wrote: Ryze shouldn't have skillshots. They're trying to take most/all of the targeted abilities out of the game I feel probably makes Ryze easier to balance tho | ||
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