EPT[Patch 5.7] More Executes General Discussion - Page 12
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Osmoses
Sweden5302 Posts
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
rune prison still targeted so I'm not going to lose my shit over this but it's a bad choice imo although if the cdr passive on his ult count towards the cap he looks pretty bad although I actually don't want to say too much because I don't 100% understand the wording on the new passive. | ||
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Osmoses
Sweden5302 Posts
Tssk, beat me to it. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
i don't think riot wants that since its the overarching trend as it is | ||
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Gahlo
United States35130 Posts
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
On April 10 2015 04:18 Slayer91 wrote: I dunno ryze having such high damage with no skillshorts and short range just makes him really weak against ranged champs and really strong against non tank melees i don't think riot wants that since its the overarching trend as it is But if his q is a blockable skillshot how does he even reach the backline and not get blocked by the 2/3 or more tanks every game lol | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
the point is tanks can block skillshots and its the same as the old but squishier guys can dodge it its just currently with 3 tanks a game then it wont matter lol doesnt have to be the case | ||
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Gahlo
United States35130 Posts
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
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Chexx
Korea (South)11232 Posts
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-strategy/482583-discussion-ryze-changes-rework | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
On April 10 2015 04:31 Seuss wrote: I don't really like the idea of making Ryze's Q a skillshot on principle. I can understand why they're testing it, but I feel that Riot's shift away from targeted abilities is limiting their design space and champion variety. They're not "testing" it. They've decided, and they're just showing us an iteration that seems to please them. But their mind's been set for months. Overload is nerfed damage-wise as soon as you hit 800 mana, which you should before level 9. Rune Prison is worse on base, AP ratio, mana ratio, and duration at max level (starting at level 4 actually). Do we need to point out the cooldown? Spell Flux has nerfed MR reduction for a single hit until 200 MR (HA!), eg. it's worse in every situation but against 1 or 2 opponent (and with no minions and if it proritises enemy champions to Ryze himself), but the single target damage is grinded to the ground so even in these cases the spell is nerfed. Desperate Power is a nerf since duration and mana cost are, and of course even with a longer duration if he can't cast as much as he can currently then it's an AoE damage output and sustain nerf. Assuming his current itemisation, the "free" CDR is a non-factor (since his spells' cooldowns are increased, and he had more CDR than what he's granting from level 9 onward with current-Q). Of course there are still details to see about his passive (eg. amount and duration of the shield, and what they mean by "reduces his spells' cooldowns by a lot", if it just means reduces the one of abilities currently on cd then it's a joke), especially wrt how fast he can "re-stack". It looks like a big hit to his damage and tankiness unless he can keep casting though, also reliability since loss of point'n'click Q and longer W cd. In exchange, if he keeps casting, maybe the shield is refreshed enough that he's hard to kill. The low-utility, low-sustained damage magic caster is exactly the kind of stuff that's bad atm because of all the tanks who outscale them (because utility > the tiny difference in damage later, and if you're Sejuani or Sion you have both damage and utility anyway) so the timing looks very bad too. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
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Goumindong
United States3529 Posts
On April 10 2015 02:59 cLutZ wrote: The lack of a second phage item has been problematic for a while, but they decided to fix that by creating a lack of a second brutalizer item? weird. Well frankly black cleaver was in a really bad place. It was a selfless mixed offensive/defensive item that built out of a selfish pure offensive item and ruby crystal. The idea seemed to be "build this to help my ADC once both of the teams primary tanks and I have our defensive core finished". But how the heck do you build it at that point? It has no mixed offensive/defensive build up! Its a ruby crystal and an early game selfish item, you're basically consigning yourself to be behind for 3000 gold until you hit the combine. Similarly phage was in the same kind of spot. It was a mixed offensive/defensive item which only built into a selfish offensive item (well almost, triforce has some HP on it). So if you wanted an offensive/defensive mix item you were locked into triforce. There are a lot of champions which would like to open phage and even maybe sit on it, but they cannot afford to do so because they can't delay their core items by 1350 for an item they're going to sell anyway. Then to the question of brutalizer, does it really need a second buy item? I mean, maybe it shouldn't exist or should build into last whisper, but otherwise its one of four pure offensive AD items. BF Sword, Pickaxe, Longsword, Brutalizer. There aren't that many pure offensive upgrades that make sense to give to the Brut. The solution is either to leave it as the unique upgrade for ghostblade, which i think is fine, or to remove it and give GB a pickaxe in its stead. If we consider that gunblade basically isn't built then cutlass and Tiamat are in the same place they only build into Hydra and BotRK. And well, we should be pretty OK with that, they're essentially "mini BotRK" and "mini Hydra" and for Brutalizer "Mini Ghostblade" On the other hand of this item it actually might find its way into ADC itemization. For champions which don't get the IE/BT/LW/PD/Scimitar path the item has decent defense and offense for someone who has botrk and LW already and wants an efficient option to get HP and damage. [After all two of these is 800 HP, 80 AD, equivalent to buying a pure defensive and pure offensive item, so you can mix this and scimitar or BT for a lot of survivability ] I like the change a lot. | ||
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Mensol
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
Honestly would be surprised if that item even reaches live seems pretty stupid on shit like wukong/darius/w.e | ||
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Goumindong
United States3529 Posts
On April 10 2015 05:23 nafta wrote: No way a champion that lanes with a support not named urgot buys that item.Anyone who would want a phage would just get a tf. 400 HP, 40 AD, 30% armor shred, Movement speed. I can think of a lot of champions who would like that but not utilize triforce. Graves would like it, Lucian would like it. Kalista would like it. Any IE/PD/LW champion that has full build but doesn't need the cleanse from Scimitar would like it (So, Ashe, Cait, Draven, Quinn, Jinx, Trist all conditional on enemy team). Champions which have itemized unintentionally away from crit would like it(Like say a triforce user who bought BotRK second for mid game dueling) could get this after LW to give him insane armor shred and maximize those triforce and botrk procs while still getting defensive stats) Now they would all like it after Last Whisper sure. And they might avoid it if someone else on their team built it for them. But Urgot is exactly the same way. Its a great mix of offensive and defense stats. It lets you buy an early power item (for AD's mixed def/off items are stronger in the early game due to the nature of 2v2's) but not have to worry about what you're doing with it later. | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
Kalista is the last champion that would buy an item with 20% cdr. Don't get me wrong the item is good but not on the ad role at all. Maybe on sivir it could be good I guess since she is more of a supportive carry if you have other ad threats. | ||
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Fildun
Netherlands4122 Posts
It definitely seems very strong on AD bruisers. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On April 10 2015 06:07 nafta wrote: So you need 4 items bt/lw/ie/pd which is your core.So that leaves you able to get it only as last item.Now tell me what sort of team do you play against that has people you need the extra penetration against(so 2 or more tanks) and doesn't have any cc that you have to cleanse?Mr is better than hp as a defensive stat vs tanks too so it makes even less sense to buy this item.And if the enemy has no tanks why would you need that item anyway? Kalista is the last champion that would buy an item with 20% cdr. BT is replaceable imo, also going full 6 items isn't out of the question for ADC's. | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
On April 10 2015 06:09 wei2coolman wrote: BT is replaceable imo, also going full 6 items isn't out of the question for ADC's. Yea then they buy thornmail and if you don't have 2 shielders you are just gonna die. | ||
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