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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
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BrownBear
United States6894 Posts
On April 23 2015 04:53 ghrur wrote: I didn't think people on TL cared about the democracy of r/lol. I love TL because it doesn't have democracy. <3 Order. That's also how most people felt about /r/lol up until this drama started happening. Everyone loves Order until it takes away something else they like ![]() | ||
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Gahlo
United States35165 Posts
On April 23 2015 04:46 BrownBear wrote: All very true. But I still don't really see your point. Are you saying we as the community deserve a popular and completely democratic platform for LoL content? Well, following the rules Reddit has for mod would be a start. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On April 23 2015 04:57 BrownBear wrote: My point is that it's silly to bitch about it on /r/lol and assume change will happen, which a large section of the community is currently doing. To use your analogy, it would be like posting nasty reviews about Yelp, on Yelp, after your restaurant was removed. If everyone who's currently bitching about the situation (especially the famous ones like Thorin, Carmac, Kelsey Moser, etc.) actually wanted something to change, there are actions they can take. They could support /r/riotfreelol or any of the other protest subs that have sprung up, or they could discourage people sharing their content to /r/lol. They won't, though, because as Cheep said, it's easier to bitch and hope change happens. Cheep's post is actually very good, and I think it's on the minds of most people who are upset about this situation. Unfortunately, that makes it kind of a self-fulfilling prophecy. I don't really understand this mentality because you are complaining about bitching, while admitting that the only other plausible solution is a long-term project that will require a ton of work. Saying that there is a plausible, tedious, path to an alternative is not a defense of a bad action. If Google started censoring all content put out by the New York Times, you don't say "well just go build a better Google, plus people can still got to nytimes.com directly!" That's a shitload of work, and not a defense of Google's actions. | ||
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
10417 Posts
On April 21 2015 19:32 Kaethis wrote: Riven does roll over to armour and she can't interrupt your E, but she can just E in response. You can then Q for the MS boost to catch up to her but that makes her next W incredibly easy. Overall, you will have dealt a little damage through her E and she'll have dealt a little with her W.. but she still has Q. With your W, you can fight her, but your W has a long cd. It really is not a good matchup. edit: You don't want Tabi against Riven from my experience. Mercs and even swifties are better. The whole problem with the character is that you can't put damage on her effectively, which Tabi does nothing to help with. I know there are significantly better Riven players than I've played against in NA mid d1 level, and the matchup may have changed since last season, but I personally think it's a very simple matchup. You just stand in the creepwave and hold Q until she engages or tries to cs. If she goes in for E/W you take it, she draws creep aggro, you silence her and spin until silence is close to running out then back off with W to cover you on the way out/into bush. If she engages with Q, silence it ASAP and activate E, then W if she goes in for third Q/W. Use your passive if you can, she has to either push the wave to your tower or engage on you (which is bad for her because you out-trade her unless she owns you with a Q-flash for a kill or something). Whoever gets a gank will obviously fare better but ignite/flash and armor stack zones riven super hard. She will still outscale you if the game goes very long but tanks are really good right now and all that means is her playmaking potential is higher than yours. Like pretty much no matter what until she gets a hydra the lane is just yours, and by the time she gets a hydra you should have something like Sunfire/boots2/parts of a second item or better. If you are losing this matchup you are playing it wrong, Garen has massive kill threat against a Riven with Q-flash-ignite-spin-ult (-gank). | ||
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GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
On April 23 2015 05:23 cLutZ wrote: I don't really understand this mentality because you are complaining about bitching, while admitting that the only other plausible solution is a long-term project that will require a ton of work. Saying that there is a plausible, tedious, path to an alternative is not a defense of a bad action. If Google started censoring all content put out by the New York Times, you don't say "well just go build a better Google, plus people can still got to nytimes.com directly!" That's a shitload of work, and not a defense of Google's actions. Funny -- your example proves the point. Google doesn't censor the NYT because it wouldn't be good for its business. But Google does censor tons of content. It's their prerogative to do so. If you want a Google that will show you kiddy porn, pirated materials, or sites built on cheating SEO, go build a better Google. Yelp censors people who cheat its review system. Urbanspoon probably does the same. Every content aggregator in the world does this, and it's their prerogative because if it did it poorly, then people would stop using it. If you think these mod actions are terrible, then stop using the subreddit. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On April 23 2015 04:20 BrownBear wrote: The drama around RLewis is manufactured and kind of silly. r/lol, despite what everyone thinks, isn't a democracy. The mods can do, and ban, whoever they want. People who don't give a shit can continue to visit r/lol as normal. Conversely, people who disagree with the ban can seek their League of Legends content elsewhere, and not visit r/lol. But because people like creating drama instead of just doing whatever they agree most with, we end up with everyone flinging poo around the monkey cage. Personally, I fall on the "not giving a shit" side of things, but I can understand why some people think it sets a pretty dangerous precedent. IMO tho, Lewis brought this on himself through his inability to not act like a spoiled child and get in comment fights with random internet strangers. I watched RL's vide that he just posted. Apparently he is site-wide banned (like, his contents are side-wide banned), not just /r/leagueoflegends. It's a decision by reddit itself. I feel that such escalation are due to more than just some sort of philosophical disagreements between Richard Lewis and the moderators on /r/lol. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On April 23 2015 06:46 GrandInquisitor wrote: Funny -- your example proves the point. Google doesn't censor the NYT because it wouldn't be good for its business. But Google does censor tons of content. It's their prerogative to do so. If you want a Google that will show you kiddy porn, pirated materials, or sites built on cheating SEO, go build a better Google. They did censor Buzzfeed and Huffpo for some sort of algorithm manipulation (more like adjusted the algorithm), and people QQ'd unsuccessfully. But the discussion should surround the validity of the decision to not include those things in search results. Brownbear and others are uninterested in doing that and basically is telling people "discussing it is not worthwhile." In the analogy, he is uninterested in whether Google has censored kiddy porn or the NYT, he is defending them regardless. Edit: Plus he is attacking people who are interested in discussing the merits of the choice. | ||
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Kaethis
Netherlands112 Posts
On April 23 2015 05:36 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote: I know there are significantly better Riven players than I've played against in NA mid d1 level, and the matchup may have changed since last season, but I personally think it's a very simple matchup. You just stand in the creepwave and hold Q until she engages or tries to cs. If she goes in for E/W you take it, she draws creep aggro, you silence her and spin until silence is close to running out then back off with W to cover you on the way out/into bush. If she engages with Q, silence it ASAP and activate E, then W if she goes in for third Q/W. Use your passive if you can, she has to either push the wave to your tower or engage on you (which is bad for her because you out-trade her unless she owns you with a Q-flash for a kill or something). Whoever gets a gank will obviously fare better but ignite/flash and armor stack zones riven super hard. She will still outscale you if the game goes very long but tanks are really good right now and all that means is her playmaking potential is higher than yours. Like pretty much no matter what until she gets a hydra the lane is just yours, and by the time she gets a hydra you should have something like Sunfire/boots2/parts of a second item or better. If you are losing this matchup you are playing it wrong, Garen has massive kill threat against a Riven with Q-flash-ignite-spin-ult (-gank). This is really not how it's been working out for me. If Riven goes in for Q/E + W and you take it she just used the one she has left (generally E) to get out again, meaning you're out of range of retaliation. Using W anticipating the first stun gets you some damage on her, but she can just disengage and come back in when your W is down. At least, early game - I've had the exact opposite experience you have, where early lane is hers and if you don't lose you just roll her throughout the entire rest of the game. There's definitely some play to avoiding particularly the W and the third Q but my internet's not the best so that's very hard for me to do. I just get 'poked' while we both stand in the minion wave. Ofcourse, if Riven ever gets too cocky she often dies. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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AlterKot
Poland7525 Posts
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SagaZ
France3460 Posts
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AlterKot
Poland7525 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On April 23 2015 07:39 SagaZ wrote: So discussing the dumb drama is fine, but opening a thread for it is where you draw the line? Whoa, you wouldn't want to banned along with all of your content, would you? | ||
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SagaZ
France3460 Posts
On April 23 2015 07:43 wei2coolman wrote: Whoa, you wouldn't want to banned along with all of your content, would you? good one, the reginald "That's it, no more interviews!" drama was 20x better | ||
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Gahlo
United States35165 Posts
On April 23 2015 07:27 Kaethis wrote: This is really not how it's been working out for me. If Riven goes in for Q/E + W and you take it she just used the one she has left (generally E) to get out again, meaning you're out of range of retaliation. Using W anticipating the first stun gets you some damage on her, but she can just disengage and come back in when your W is down. At least, early game - I've had the exact opposite experience you have, where early lane is hers and if you don't lose you just roll her throughout the entire rest of the game. There's definitely some play to avoiding particularly the W and the third Q but my internet's not the best so that's very hard for me to do. I just get 'poked' while we both stand in the minion wave. Ofcourse, if Riven ever gets too cocky she often dies. Do you have any recordings of said lane? From the sound of it, she isn't getting more than 1Q and W off, which doesn't seem like a favorable trade considering how squishy she is after you hit her back. | ||
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
Maybe random post, but I think its interesting. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35165 Posts
On April 23 2015 08:38 Redox wrote: Seems to me like Azubu is running out of money. Not only the contract with Fnatic has not been renewed, but I also see Roccat and NME players on Twitch now. Probably its more. Maybe random post, but I think its interesting. They're getting screwed by being a closed platform, which they are making steps to change. | ||
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
On April 23 2015 08:45 Gahlo wrote: They're getting screwed by being a closed platform, which they are making steps to change. Well they could also still contract teams if they go open. Of course it makes all no sense financially no matter what. Now they become a 2nd hitbox.tv, although with probably even worse numbers. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35165 Posts
On April 23 2015 08:50 Redox wrote: Well they could also still contract teams if they go open. Of course it makes all no sense financially no matter what. Now they become a 2nd hitbox.tv, although with probably even worse numbers. The issue they're running into, I think, is that they aren't able to make enough money to entice teams to stay on a platform that tends to get less viewership. By being an open platform, they can probably transfer profits from individual streamers into contracts for teams. | ||
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