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AlterKot
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
Poland7525 Posts
March 16 2015 18:51 GMT
#381
I'll test Ludien's Kennen tonight. You don't really build Abyssal on Kennen for survi unless you're against like triple AP and in that case you don't build Zhonyas, and for laning it's better to get a ruby crystal for haunting guise/rylais than the 500g mr item.
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Frolossus
Profile Joined February 2010
United States4779 Posts
March 16 2015 18:56 GMT
#382
On March 17 2015 03:28 phyvo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2015 00:06 Slusher wrote:
On March 16 2015 16:37 Ketara wrote:
On March 16 2015 16:14 Goumindong wrote:
On March 16 2015 14:11 Frolossus wrote:
luden's echo isn't feeling very strong to me

The proc on it is really weak unless you can get it charged on every poke and all you do is poke.

So it does 100+.15 AP which means that if your combo has an AP ratio of 1.0 deathcap does more damage at 666 AP. If your AP ratio per charge is 2.0 then deathcap does more damage at 222 AP.

Most champions are going to do more than 2.0 AP per charge, they're either not fast enough, or their skills come off CD too fast or they dump their entire set at once. Plus, almost everyone outscaled it.

Trying to think of a fast skirmisher who might use it but it doesn't proc on EZ q (I think) so that exhausts my guesses.

On the other hand there is no higher AOE damage than cap/void/echo so it might get some use there.


Is that 222 AP not counting the ludens echo AP?

Its a strong item for lux, but she has unique synergy with it in that it let's her clear waves with 1 spell where deathcap doesn't, and since it procs on her passive autos.

I think as an item its going to be strong in specific champions, and really good on those specific champions, but unbuyable on the rest of the champion pool.


does it Proc Kat Q, because that would add a lot of poke to her kit that she does not currently have


The echo will proc on the first bounce but none of the other bounces unless somehow you fully charge echo again before the last bounce.

i think he meant if kat Qs to apply the mark, would luden's activate the mark for bonus damage.
Mensol
Profile Joined September 2012
14536 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-16 19:34:49
March 16 2015 19:02 GMT
#383
On March 16 2015 10:14 Goumindong wrote:
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On March 16 2015 08:13 Mensol wrote:
I just accidently made my team win with my unexpectedly good crystallize.

feeling good, and mastering anivia slowly but surely.

I feel like, with a shift to the immobile mage/clear wave/stall game meta to force lategame mages into their wheelhouse they anivia is going to have a big popularity comeback

Anivia's Q is outdated and bad compared to new champs though. Anivia would be relevant if riot make her ulti challenges while using zhonya.

Late game Anivia is still scary tho, i usually one shot opponents adc l o l.
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Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
March 16 2015 19:07 GMT
#384
The whole point of Anivia's ult is that it's a channel so you can interrupt it, otherwise that's huge zone control you can do nothing against (remember Ziggs' pretty much perma-mining a spot once he gets some CDR?).

Meeps autos also trigger spellthief, while Lulu's passive doesn't, for example.
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Eiii
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2566 Posts
March 16 2015 19:27 GMT
#385
I'm cool with doing literally anything to make Anivia relevant again. She was my first bird-love, and while Quinn may have replaced her in recent years she will always have a place in my heart.
:3
Frolossus
Profile Joined February 2010
United States4779 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-16 20:10:35
March 16 2015 20:05 GMT
#386
anivia is never gonna be a popular pick unless they d some bullshit rework like xerath that simplifies her playstyle
even in s2 when farm oriented lategame midlane was a thing and froggen/rapidstar were crushing people in tournaments with her people still preferred orianna/karthus/everything else over her. it's always gonna be this way because the majority of the playerbase doesn't want to put an effort into learning her.

On March 17 2015 04:02 Mensol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2015 10:14 Goumindong wrote:
On March 16 2015 08:13 Mensol wrote:
I just accidently made my team win with my unexpectedly good crystallize.

feeling good, and mastering anivia slowly but surely.

I feel like, with a shift to the immobile mage/clear wave/stall game meta to force lategame mages into their wheelhouse they anivia is going to have a big popularity comeback

Anivia's Q is outdated and bad compared to new champs though. Anivia would be relevant if riot make her ulti challenges while using zhonya.

Late game Anivia is still scary tho, i usually one shot opponents adc l o l.

anivia Q is one of the strongest skill shots in the game
1:1 ap ratio + massive aoe stun + pass through chill effect > almost all of the other skill shots in the game.
not outdated at all imo
Zdrastochye
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
March 16 2015 20:38 GMT
#387
Massive aoe stun = 75 range?
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Frolossus
Profile Joined February 2010
United States4779 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-16 20:56:16
March 16 2015 20:55 GMT
#388
On March 17 2015 05:38 Zdrastochye wrote:
Massive aoe stun = 75 range?

it's enough to consistently stun 3 people and i think no other skill shot stun has a better radius
Zdrastochye
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-16 20:58:01
March 16 2015 20:57 GMT
#389
Leona?

or Sona?
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Fildun
Profile Joined December 2012
Netherlands4122 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-16 20:59:54
March 16 2015 20:59 GMT
#390
I actually think that the jungle is in a pretty good place this patch. A lot of junglers feel viable right now, from Zac to Jarvan, from Skarner to Olaf.

Well except Evelynn and Elise.
Frolossus
Profile Joined February 2010
United States4779 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-16 21:02:23
March 16 2015 20:59 GMT
#391
On March 17 2015 05:57 Zdrastochye wrote:
Leona?

100 range for her ult w/ a 60 second cool down and bad ratio
zenith blade is a thin line

sona is a cone thing not a skill shot and also an ult on a massive cool down

anivia q is definitely a top tier skill shot and is fine as it is
Anakko
Profile Joined August 2012
France1934 Posts
March 16 2015 21:00 GMT
#392
On March 17 2015 05:57 Zdrastochye wrote:
Leona?

or Sona?


ultimates..... not exactly fait to compare to a Q. I would say Veigar though
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obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-16 21:03:13
March 16 2015 21:02 GMT
#393
On March 17 2015 05:59 Fildun wrote:
I actually think that the jungle is in a pretty good place this patch. A lot of junglers feel viable right now, from Zac to Jarvan, from Skarner to Olaf.

Well except Evelynn and Elise.

Yeah. Sej might be a bit too strong, but we'll wait for competitive results to see. Hopefully she gets a few patches of actual play before we revert back to the s4, s3 riot approved lcs champs.
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Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35118 Posts
March 16 2015 21:10 GMT
#394
On March 17 2015 05:59 Fildun wrote:
I actually think that the jungle is in a pretty good place this patch. A lot of junglers feel viable right now, from Zac to Jarvan, from Skarner to Olaf.

Well except Evelynn and Elise.

Yeah, it's clearly a lot healthier than before. Time will tell how much Riot reigns it back. I'm expecting Cinderhulk's Bonus HP ratio to go down by 5% if tank junglers become a dominant meta.

And then we can add 5% HP onto the 5 AD jungle meme.
Fildun
Profile Joined December 2012
Netherlands4122 Posts
March 16 2015 21:15 GMT
#395
I really want Riot to wait a bit on this patch. Everybody is jungling champions that they have no idea how to play, so if we get those out in about a month the stats will be more representative I think.
Purge
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada372 Posts
March 16 2015 21:16 GMT
#396
Playing and loving Bard atm. Ult+Shurelyas is probably the strongest long range initiation/counter initiation in the game. The cast time is fixed too so its really easy to pull off the long range ults. His laning is weak sure, but everything after that is amazing.
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obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-16 21:18:15
March 16 2015 21:17 GMT
#397
On March 17 2015 06:15 Fildun wrote:
I really want Riot to wait a bit on this patch. Everybody is jungling champions that they have no idea how to play, so if we get those out in about a month the stats will be more representative I think.

I hope they wait too.
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
Purge
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada372 Posts
March 16 2015 21:18 GMT
#398
On March 17 2015 06:02 obesechicken13 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2015 05:59 Fildun wrote:
I actually think that the jungle is in a pretty good place this patch. A lot of junglers feel viable right now, from Zac to Jarvan, from Skarner to Olaf.

Well except Evelynn and Elise.

Yeah. Sej might be a bit too strong, but we'll wait for competitive results to see. Hopefully she gets a few patches of actual play before we revert back to the s4, s3 riot approved lcs champs.


Except Diamond was playing her on 5.4 and winning in competitive play so im not sure what you mean by that last part.
"Never do an enemy a small injury." - Machiavelli
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35118 Posts
March 16 2015 21:22 GMT
#399
On March 17 2015 06:15 Fildun wrote:
I really want Riot to wait a bit on this patch. Everybody is jungling champions that they have no idea how to play, so if we get those out in about a month the stats will be more representative I think.

Not to mention they should allow for the AD position to have a chance to possibly swing back into favoring some of the BotRK champions.
Doctorbeat
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands13241 Posts
March 16 2015 21:27 GMT
#400
On March 17 2015 06:22 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2015 06:15 Fildun wrote:
I really want Riot to wait a bit on this patch. Everybody is jungling champions that they have no idea how to play, so if we get those out in about a month the stats will be more representative I think.

Not to mention they should allow for the AD position to have a chance to possibly swing back into favoring some of the BotRK champions.


Now that all those tanky junglers are in play I feel kinda useless as an adc. One of my latest games had Voli, Heca and Kass. When I saw that I really wanted to slit my wrists.
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