EPTTHey aren't like omg Darius OP, but trust me both of these are really nice because the current limitations frustrated me on a every game basis.
[Patch 5.5] Bard General Discussion - Page 18
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
THey aren't like omg Darius OP, but trust me both of these are really nice because the current limitations frustrated me on a every game basis. | ||
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Frolossus
United States4779 Posts
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saddaromma
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justiceknight
Singapore5741 Posts
On March 16 2015 14:59 saddaromma wrote: is mundo jungle viable now? I mean not just ok, but somewhat close to A-tier? i am not sure whether u can survive blue wolf red or not lol, any1 can counter jg and 1 shot u. | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
On March 16 2015 14:11 Frolossus wrote: luden's echo isn't feeling very strong to me Yeah, I'm not sure if it feels core on anyone. Like no one wants it more than Zhonyas, and there aren't any AP champs I can think of that can't push and can use luden's echo. Even Kassadin can like E a wave can't he? | ||
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ShaLLoW[baY]
Canada12499 Posts
On March 16 2015 14:59 saddaromma wrote: is mundo jungle viable now? I mean not just ok, but somewhat close to A-tier? cyanide ran it with spellvamp quints, i have yet to try it but been meaning to | ||
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Frolossus
United States4779 Posts
On March 16 2015 15:27 obesechicken13 wrote: Yeah, I'm not sure if it feels core on anyone. Like no one wants it more than Zhonyas, and there aren't any AP champs I can think of that can't push and can use luden's echo. Even Kassadin can like E a wave can't he? i mean its nice to have another NLR item again but the implementation of the passive thing feels really clunky and as you said hard to get any use out of. | ||
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Goumindong
United States3529 Posts
On March 16 2015 10:10 obesechicken13 wrote: Suff Post: http://www.goldper10.com/article/1125-how-win-rate-lies-to-you.html Talks about how winrate at higher elo on a champ should naturally be higher since challengers tend to win more games And everyone plat or higher takes some wins from the large pool of bronze players. This data is especially interesting for sites like champion.gg which only shows data for platinum+ games. The relative density of master/challenger games shouldn't have much of an effect on stats pulled from plat+ games. But yes, if you're just looking at win % you should always be looking at it in as specific a context as possible, and in a relative position (so graves 53% challenger win rate would be high if no other AD were much higher) | ||
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JazzVortical
Australia1825 Posts
On March 16 2015 15:27 obesechicken13 wrote: Yeah, I'm not sure if it feels core on anyone. Like no one wants it more than Zhonyas, and there aren't any AP champs I can think of that can't push and can use luden's echo. Even Kassadin can like E a wave can't he? The problem IMO is partly finding a slot for it. You can't give up your CDR/mana item, nor the utility from Zhonya's. You need Void to do damage late. That leaves Dcap, boots or a defensive item being replaced by Luden's. I'm yet to try the boots replacement theory (ala Zephyr), and I don't particularly like going full offense on a squishy AP. On a Syndra game I played, I replaced Dcap with Luden's. I feel like the raw AP from Dcap would've worked out better than the extra AoE. I also wonder how much of it's impact has to do with it's lack of impact (visual/auditory). | ||
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ShaLLoW[baY]
Canada12499 Posts
Played with Bard some more, trying out ad reds/armor yellow/mr5cdr blue/gp5 quints and starting doran's shield, feels a lot stronger, inital meep poke is actually pretty decent in trades I honestly feel like his W is just bad past like level 3, I level R Q E W now because E escape with 50% speed boost is huge and W heal is always useless, while the speed boost stays at %50 from level 1 so it's a one point wonder to help your ad in the lane phase imo. The pipe dream of roaming mid/top to throw down two shrines and flip lane balance is so unlikely because you're only healing them the equivalent of one potion IF your shrine is level 3 and they let it fully evolve. | ||
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Goumindong
United States3529 Posts
On March 16 2015 14:11 Frolossus wrote: luden's echo isn't feeling very strong to me The proc on it is really weak unless you can get it charged on every poke and all you do is poke. So it does 100+.15 AP which means that if your combo has an AP ratio of 1.0 deathcap does more damage at 666 AP. If your AP ratio per charge is 2.0 then deathcap does more damage at 222 AP. Most champions are going to do more than 2.0 AP per charge, they're either not fast enough, or their skills come off CD too fast or they dump their entire set at once. Plus, almost everyone outscaled it. Trying to think of a fast skirmisher who might use it but it doesn't proc on EZ q (I think) so that exhausts my guesses. On the other hand there is no higher AOE damage than cap/void/echo so it might get some use there. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On March 16 2015 16:09 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote: OK. Played with Bard some more, trying out ad reds/armor yellow/mr5cdr blue/gp5 quints and starting doran's shield, feels a lot stronger, inital meep poke is actually pretty decent in trades I honestly feel like his W is just bad past like level 3, I level R Q E W now because E escape with 50% speed boost is huge and W heal is always useless, while the speed boost stays at %50 from level 1 so it's a one point wonder to help your ad in the lane phase imo. The pipe dream of roaming mid/top to throw down two shrines and flip lane balance is so unlikely because you're only healing them the equivalent of one potion IF your shrine is level 3 and they let it fully evolve. I think if they gave bard some AA range, he'd be a lot more impactful in lane, and his passive would be a bit more useful. As it is now, there's no good way to get harass down wihtout getting chunked. | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
On March 16 2015 16:14 Goumindong wrote: The proc on it is really weak unless you can get it charged on every poke and all you do is poke. So it does 100+.15 AP which means that if your combo has an AP ratio of 1.0 deathcap does more damage at 666 AP. If your AP ratio per charge is 2.0 then deathcap does more damage at 222 AP. Most champions are going to do more than 2.0 AP per charge, they're either not fast enough, or their skills come off CD too fast or they dump their entire set at once. Plus, almost everyone outscaled it. Trying to think of a fast skirmisher who might use it but it doesn't proc on EZ q (I think) so that exhausts my guesses. On the other hand there is no higher AOE damage than cap/void/echo so it might get some use there. Is that 222 AP not counting the ludens echo AP? Its a strong item for lux, but she has unique synergy with it in that it let's her clear waves with 1 spell where deathcap doesn't, and since it procs on her passive autos. I think as an item its going to be strong in specific champions, and really good on those specific champions, but unbuyable on the rest of the champion pool. | ||
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MattBarry
United States4006 Posts
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Goumindong
United States3529 Posts
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phyvo
United States5635 Posts
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Osmoses
Sweden5302 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35118 Posts
On March 16 2015 23:28 Osmoses wrote: Luden is the only item besides dc with 120 ap on it, that in and of itself ought to be a selling point, no? As for the passive, it's that little bit of extra damage which also happens to be aoe. It has sealed the deal a couple times for me. All items that build out of NLR have 120 AP. | ||
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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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JonGalt
Pootie too good!4331 Posts
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