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Goumindong
Profile Joined February 2013
United States3529 Posts
March 24 2015 22:48 GMT
#1001
On March 25 2015 07:01 nafta wrote:
Honestly dabox has 2000+ games on veigar in s3/4 pretty sure his knowledge of veigar and his matchups is infinitely higher than anyone's knowledge of the veigar matchup.Just because he can play it agressively and win doesn't really mean that is how it actually goes assuming roughly similar skill levels.


No, veigar should definitely be played with using Q to harass enemies. If you use Q to CS you get 1 AP/Q. Which is worth about 21.75 gold by amp tome costs. But using Q on the enemy will generally mean >1 extra CS. Especially if you can force your enemy back or prevent an all int. 1 CS is ALSO worth about 20 gold, except that that gold got you closer to completing your big items which you desperately needed to be effective

That doesn't mean you shouldn't farm Q when no one is around and you have plenty of mana. But you shouldn't be too concerned about it if you can trade instead
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-24 22:52:51
March 24 2015 22:52 GMT
#1002
On March 25 2015 07:48 Goumindong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2015 07:01 nafta wrote:
Honestly dabox has 2000+ games on veigar in s3/4 pretty sure his knowledge of veigar and his matchups is infinitely higher than anyone's knowledge of the veigar matchup.Just because he can play it agressively and win doesn't really mean that is how it actually goes assuming roughly similar skill levels.


No, veigar should definitely be played with using Q to harass enemies. If you use Q to CS you get 1 AP/Q. Which is worth about 21.75 gold by amp tome costs. But using Q on the enemy will generally mean >1 extra CS. Especially if you can force your enemy back or prevent an all int. 1 CS is ALSO worth about 20 gold, except that that gold got you closer to completing your big items which you desperately needed to be effective

That doesn't mean you shouldn't farm Q when no one is around and you have plenty of mana. But you shouldn't be too concerned about it if you can trade instead

Also each Q is worth even less, because at big item timings AP becomes more and more cost efficient.
liftlift > tsm
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
March 24 2015 23:07 GMT
#1003
well "farming till late" is inferior to "aggressive" on fucking everyone lol
most games dont go till late and aggressive implies getting kills which is always good
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-24 23:10:36
March 24 2015 23:08 GMT
#1004
On March 25 2015 07:48 Goumindong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2015 07:01 nafta wrote:
Honestly dabox has 2000+ games on veigar in s3/4 pretty sure his knowledge of veigar and his matchups is infinitely higher than anyone's knowledge of the veigar matchup.Just because he can play it agressively and win doesn't really mean that is how it actually goes assuming roughly similar skill levels.


No, veigar should definitely be played with using Q to harass enemies. If you use Q to CS you get 1 AP/Q. Which is worth about 21.75 gold by amp tome costs. But using Q on the enemy will generally mean >1 extra CS. Especially if you can force your enemy back or prevent an all int. 1 CS is ALSO worth about 20 gold, except that that gold got you closer to completing your big items which you desperately needed to be effective

That doesn't mean you shouldn't farm Q when no one is around and you have plenty of mana. But you shouldn't be too concerned about it if you can trade instead

I never said it wasnt the best way to play it.All I am saying is just because he can make it work doesn't mean it actually does(I guess did).How matchups actually work and how matchups work for people with 2k+ games on someone vs people who have probably played 5 times at most vs said champion isn't exactly fair.
Frolossus
Profile Joined February 2010
United States4779 Posts
March 24 2015 23:20 GMT
#1005
athene's buff will be nice for anivia
i don't think any other character particularly needs it atm
deathray797
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
196 Posts
March 24 2015 23:23 GMT
#1006
http://skins.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/omegasquad/
good night guys
lilwisper
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2515 Posts
March 24 2015 23:30 GMT
#1007
On March 25 2015 08:23 deathray797 wrote:
http://skins.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/omegasquad/
good night guys


I am loving all the quotes once you pan all the way out.

"You'd be surprised at how quick fur ignites!"
Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12083 Posts
March 24 2015 23:35 GMT
#1008
On March 25 2015 07:29 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Anyone who has played more than a couple dozen games of Veigar soon realizes that the "aggressive" (terrible term to use, maybe that's why this is so contentious) playstyle is far superior to the farm to late playstyle ;d

The whole point of (old) Veigar was to farm DFG -> start one shotting people from elvel ~6 - 16. The further it goes the worse he got, and farming Q for the first 30 minutes of the game squanders prime time when he can kill other people.

Excpet now Riot wants him to be a late game hero except he just sucks early mid and late now instead of just super early and late.

yep; veigar has still been completely shafted
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
March 24 2015 23:36 GMT
#1009
On March 25 2015 08:30 lilwisper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2015 08:23 deathray797 wrote:
http://skins.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/omegasquad/
good night guys


I am loving all the quotes once you pan all the way out.

"You'd be surprised at how quick fur ignites!"

Oh, you can click on stuff when you zoom out to hear Teemo's quotes!
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
March 24 2015 23:42 GMT
#1010
DARKNESSSSSSSssssssss


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