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On March 16 2015 16:37 Ketara wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2015 16:14 Goumindong wrote:On March 16 2015 14:11 Frolossus wrote:
luden's echo isn't feeling very strong to me The proc on it is really weak unless you can get it charged on every poke and all you do is poke. So it does 100+.15 AP which means that if your combo has an AP ratio of 1.0 deathcap does more damage at 666 AP. If your AP ratio per charge is 2.0 then deathcap does more damage at 222 AP. Most champions are going to do more than 2.0 AP per charge, they're either not fast enough, or their skills come off CD too fast or they dump their entire set at once. Plus, almost everyone outscaled it. Trying to think of a fast skirmisher who might use it but it doesn't proc on EZ q (I think) so that exhausts my guesses. On the other hand there is no higher AOE damage than cap/void/echo so it might get some use there. Is that 222 AP not counting the ludens echo AP? Its a strong item for lux, but she has unique synergy with it in that it let's her clear waves with 1 spell where deathcap doesn't, and since it procs on her passive autos. I think as an item its going to be strong in specific champions, and really good on those specific champions, but unbuyable on the rest of the champion pool.
does it Proc Kat Q, because that would add a lot of poke to her kit that she does not currently have
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On March 16 2015 23:52 krndandaman wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2015 14:59 saddaromma wrote:
is mundo jungle viable now? I mean not just ok, but somewhat close to A-tier? strangely enough it's one of 2 champions that actually have a winning matchup vs sejuani this patch with a 58% win rate according to champion.gg on the other hand the only other jungler to have a winning matchup as well is sion jungle. really odd lol. i'm gonna have to play around with the 2 champs in jungle to see if its actually ok or just a really odd case of variance
Sejuani struggles against junglers who scale harder than she does. Which is almost nobody.
I tend to do really poorly vs shyvana jungle for example.
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I'm in a custom, it def does not seem to proc kat Q secondary
oh well kat didn't need buffs but that would have been hilarious
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Bearded Elder29905 Posts
Bard with the 34,51% winrate, damn.
I hope Riot will buff his W by a lot, so I can play him in solo queue.
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I feel like the best ways to buff Bard without just giving him damage,
have speed on W ramp up from 1.5 sec to mabye 4? at rank 5
increase the latch range on Shackleshot by like 50% mabye more, it's pretty bad right now, like super bad.
edit: I guess it operates on a total range mechanic? idk makes it feel super clunky
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When I played Bard on the PBE I felt that his biggest problem was his passive. In actual play it's just underwhelming.
The core problem is that the passive (which seems designed to replace a damaging active) is clearly balanced around perfect chime acquisition; if you get every chime as they spawn Bard's passive roughly matches the power level of a normal ability. However, even professional players are going to struggle to collect every single chime unless they're already crushing their opponents, and will likely collect very few when fighting from behind.
I can't really speak to his other abilities because people on the PBE are bad.
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sounds similar to Cassio rework when it first came out and it took 45+ min to reach max stacks
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On March 16 2015 16:45 MattBarry wrote:
Well at least with Luden's echo there's no better option for a burst caster for a 6th item. Gotta get that 900 ap
depends
most times i get boots 4 damage and 1 def item
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Scip, what is Zac like these days? Cinderhulk and the doubled cc time on his knock up and the blob-related buff seem like this patch did a bunch for him. Considering some Saint Zactricks day tomorrow.
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On March 17 2015 02:32 PrinceXizor wrote:
Scip, what is Zac like these days? Cinderhulk and the doubled cc time on his knock up and the blob-related buff seem like this patch did a bunch for him. Considering some Saint Zactricks day tomorrow.
NB did pretty well on stream this morning going WEQ max.
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There just isn't anyone good playing Bard yet. A lot of his kit relies on playing a certain way and at times leaving your adc alone while you run around and collect chimes. His spells are sort of strong enough, that stun lasts an awful long time when you play against it, but he's way too unconventional of a champion to play him as a normal support. Most times when I'm facing a Bard I know we're going to win botlane unless his adc is up for 1v2ing.
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On March 17 2015 00:06 Slusher wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2015 16:37 Ketara wrote:On March 16 2015 16:14 Goumindong wrote:On March 16 2015 14:11 Frolossus wrote:
luden's echo isn't feeling very strong to me The proc on it is really weak unless you can get it charged on every poke and all you do is poke. So it does 100+.15 AP which means that if your combo has an AP ratio of 1.0 deathcap does more damage at 666 AP. If your AP ratio per charge is 2.0 then deathcap does more damage at 222 AP. Most champions are going to do more than 2.0 AP per charge, they're either not fast enough, or their skills come off CD too fast or they dump their entire set at once. Plus, almost everyone outscaled it. Trying to think of a fast skirmisher who might use it but it doesn't proc on EZ q (I think) so that exhausts my guesses. On the other hand there is no higher AOE damage than cap/void/echo so it might get some use there. Is that 222 AP not counting the ludens echo AP? Its a strong item for lux, but she has unique synergy with it in that it let's her clear waves with 1 spell where deathcap doesn't, and since it procs on her passive autos. I think as an item its going to be strong in specific champions, and really good on those specific champions, but unbuyable on the rest of the champion pool. does it Proc Kat Q, because that would add a lot of poke to her kit that she does not currently have
The echo will proc on the first bounce but none of the other bounces unless somehow you fully charge echo again before the last bounce.
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On March 17 2015 00:33 739 wrote:
Bard with the 34,51% winrate, damn.
I hope Riot will buff his W by a lot, so I can play him in solo queue.
He's going to be broken anyway, winrate doesn't matter.
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Wouldn't Kennen be good for ludens? As long as you don't need to rush zhonyas he is manaless and very mobile with long poke that would benefit ton from having a bit of AOE.
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Thing is Kennen has to have Zhonya + Abyssal as first two items pretty much, because he needs tanky stats for teamfights.
And after that he has enough AP that stuff like Void/Hat is just better.
It might be good on Kennen as a 6th item?
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I think it's pretty bullshit the new jungle item is so godly good.
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I wonder when else luden's triggers on, it works on meeps.
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It triggers on spell damage.
There's a bunch of passives that count as spell damage, it's pretty case by case.
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On March 17 2015 03:36 Ketara wrote:
Thing is Kennen has to have Zhonya + Abyssal as first two items pretty much, because he needs tanky stats for teamfights.
And after that he has enough AP that stuff like Void/Hat is just better.
It might be good on Kennen as a 6th item?
Abyssal isn't crucial, especially if your enemy team has low magic damage. You could open ludens into zhonya and it could work and make your laning even more oppressive especially top.
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There's also the advent of Guise first Kennen hitting a massive spike at 6.
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