EPT[Patch 5.5] Bard General Discussion - Page 16
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General_Winter
United States719 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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Slayer91
Ireland23460 Posts
you just want like locket sunfire randuins righteous glory or something | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On March 16 2015 01:15 General_Winter wrote: Don't love the new jungle item as Rammus. The tenacity and CDR were both really useful. And I think it does less than sunfire so building it reduces DPS overall. Lastly it pushes you to build health, but Rammus really wants to be building armor (eg thornmail). Any other Rammus players not liking the so called boast to tank JGers? Shouldn't of been building juggernaut in the first place, pre-patch. Warrior was strictly better, with a little bit of AS runes, Rammus with Warriors could farm pretty fast. I'd have to test mid-game clear times with new jungle item, but it should be better than juggernaut overall tbh. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23460 Posts
you can farm fast but you wasted all that gold on an item that sucks you just went straight sunfire and didnt get juggernaught | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On March 16 2015 01:56 Slayer91 wrote: warrior rammus is dumb what are you talking about you can farm fast but you wasted all that gold on an item that sucks you just went straight sunfire and didnt get juggernaught warrior rammus so good. you could 1v1 so hard with it too. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23460 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On March 16 2015 01:59 Slayer91 wrote: you can `1v1 really hard with devourer its just way better if you want a damage enchant Not particularly, the apen from warriors along with your later armor items, make each auto hit pretty hard. edit: plus I got the idea from scip (so it's not a misinformed low elo crafting idea), played quite a few normal games with high elo friends, had pretty good success, also got a chance to play it solo in ranked as well, pretty strong imo. | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
Pretty sure Cinderhulk is straight better than Juggernaut. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23460 Posts
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
And wtf. Who was building AD or on hit items on Rammus? He has no magic damage on his abilities. Just some armor pen on his E. And some AD on his passive. But his steroids are not enough to justify building a non offensive first item. | ||
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Scip
Czech Republic11293 Posts
On March 16 2015 01:56 wei2coolman wrote: warrior rammus so good. you could 1v1 so hard with it too. LOL if you got that idea from me then you are 0/10 reading comprehension, I talked about Devourer Rammus, not Warrior both are trash compared to the new juggernaut anyway so it doesn't matter now On March 16 2015 01:15 General_Winter wrote: Don't love the new jungle item as Rammus. The tenacity and CDR were both really useful. And I think it does less than sunfire so building it reduces DPS overall. Lastly it pushes you to build health, but Rammus really wants to be building armor (eg thornmail). Any other Rammus players not liking the so called boast to tank JGers? The tenacity and CDR were so worthless you didn't even build Juggernaut until like 4th or 5th item. And Rammus doesn't want to be building armor, wtf? You REALLY want to build hp. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On March 16 2015 02:51 Scip wrote: LOL if you got that idea from me then you are 0/10 reading comprehension, I talked about Devourer Rammus, not Warrior both are trash compared to the new juggernaut anyway so it doesn't matter now got the idea for warriors from you, the 1v1 thing was just something i noticed when playing it out. hilarious amount of apen and defensive scaling made it pretty lulz when someone tried to invade me. | ||
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SidianTheBard
United States2475 Posts
I tend to Coin into Sightstone into mobos every game. Coin helps with the sustain a bit, plus gives you a decent amount of gold when you show up back to lane. I do agree I think he feels a little boring levels 1-5 in lane because you really can't do much. I think the range on his Q could be a little longer imo. I've actually been having fun going zzrot on him as well, mid/end game when you have chimes in the enemy jungle, nothing is more enjoyable then running blazing fast speeds with mobos + 5x of chimes and then placing a random zzrot portal by the enemy red which will help push bot lane. Eventually, I just went full clicky because I believe it works very well on him. zz'rot, Mikeals, Talisman of Ascension, locket, sightstone & mobos. End game I tend to use my Ult to catch people out, rather then using it defensively. If we were ever close to the enemy, throw your ult and magical journey through the terrain. If your ult lands and people follow you through, that's a dead player. R > Q > E > W | QWEQQR levels 1-6 is what I've been doing. Although, possibly getting 2 points (maybe even 3) into heal shrine early could be beneficial especially if you're roaming very hard. Two major problems with Bard though... 1) As I said before, levels 1-5 kinda suck in lane, it feels like you really can't put any pressure at all. and 2) My name, "SidianTheBard". I've had this name since waaaay back when I was young playing Everquest, I made a Bard, named Sidian! Now I get a ton of people that are like "lol gj wasting money on a name change" or other random trash talk. >.< | ||
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Scip
Czech Republic11293 Posts
On March 16 2015 03:04 wei2coolman wrote: got the idea for warriors from you, the 1v1 thing was just something i noticed when playing it out. hilarious amount of apen and defensive scaling made it pretty lulz when someone tried to invade me. How did you get the idea from me because I talked about Devourer Rammus? | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On March 16 2015 03:23 Scip wrote: How did you get the idea from me because I talked about Devourer Rammus? I saw you build it when you were streaming a while ago. | ||
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Scip
Czech Republic11293 Posts
no you didn't I literally never built Warrior on Rammus, I never tried it because it doesn't really make any sense I built Warrior on Olaf but that's a different champion | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On March 16 2015 03:26 Scip wrote: no no you didn't I literally never built Warrior on Rammus, I never tried it because it doesn't really make any sense I built Warrior on Olaf but that's a different champion lol, i fucking saw you build warriors on rammus when you were streaming. I even asked "did you get AS runes/masteries with Rammus? cuz no way you attack that fast off his base AS." | ||
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Scip
Czech Republic11293 Posts
I even remember you (or someone else) asking that question hahahahaha | ||
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sob3k
United States7572 Posts
On March 16 2015 02:41 obesechicken13 wrote: Loss of CDR hurt but the new Juggernaut does look to be better. Again, I need to figure out how fast it ramps up, and a good thing about the item is that unlike sunfire cape, it doesn't pull aggro from neutral monsters (have to test on baron) so you can run by wolves without aggroing them. It also has higher DPS once it's fully ramped up than sunfire. And wtf. Who was building AD or on hit items on Rammus? He has no magic damage on his abilities. Just some armor pen on his E. And some AD on his passive. But his steroids are not enough to justify building a non offensive first item. wat | ||
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