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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On January 14 2015 13:32 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: My god Riot better double all of Veigar's base damages to compensate for this -_-" Not sure if that's a good idea, been seeing a fuck ton of support veigars on high elo streams just completely womping on people. Would make support veig even more snowbally silly. | ||
Inflicted
Australia18228 Posts
On January 14 2015 11:31 wei2coolman wrote: IMO it's the biggest hit on Ahri. Regular build on Ahri is just god awful, at least with syndra all her other builds are just as good, and DFG is just cream on top. Leblanc has the cancer chalice splitpush build. Katarina works just fine with Zhonya's first build, into DC -> voidstaff. DFG is optional. Veigar can use DFG, but not necessary for him. As long as Nomicon remains the same, Ahri will be fine. The difference between Nomicon+DFG & Nomicon+Zhonya/Dcap/Void is smaller for Ahri than for someone like LeBlanc | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On January 14 2015 13:32 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: My god Riot better double all of Veigar's base damages to compensate for this -_-" they are tripling the damage of his E don't worry. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On January 14 2015 13:48 Inflicted wrote: As long as Nomicon remains the same, Ahri will be fine. The difference between Nomicon+DFG & Nomicon+Zhonya/Dcap/Void is smaller for Ahri than for someone like LeBlanc Difference is Leblanc still kills shit without the difference. Ahri not so much. | ||
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Inflicted
Australia18228 Posts
On January 14 2015 13:52 wei2coolman wrote: Difference is Leblanc still kills shit without the difference. Ahri not so much. DFG is a personal preference for those wants to carry the team. Other Ahri players rush Zhonyas or Dcap and find it just as effective edit: Rephrased it | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
Also I wonder if this will bring back Rylai's on Ahri to occupy DFG's slot (doesn't have to be built as the first item). That will be pretty interesting actually. | ||
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remedium
United States939 Posts
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On January 14 2015 14:35 remedium wrote: Sufficiency, I've been meandering through the API because of your recent posts...is there a way to pull data on the average time that a certain champion buys a certain item? Yes but it is too late for me to do it today. If you want to take a shot at it, you need to turn on timelines then parse through for thebuy-item event. | ||
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remedium
United States939 Posts
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ShaLLoW[baY]
Canada12499 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On January 14 2015 15:21 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote: I thought that dcap first was bad on mids unless they have some sort of utility ap scaling (shields/heals etc.) and that void pretty much always provides more damage. Deathcap usually opens up the ability to wave clear in a single rotation or spell, void staff might not make the AP ratio cutoff point necessary to do so at that item timing. | ||
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JazzVortical
Australia1825 Posts
On January 14 2015 15:21 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote: I thought that dcap first was bad on mids unless they have some sort of utility ap scaling (shields/heals etc.) and that void pretty much always provides more damage. Void does give more damage in the long run, but it's generally better to go Dcap first for better farming and you still get a large increase in damage while MR values are still low. You generally want Void by the time teamfights roll around, which lines up fairly nicely with a 3rd item timing. | ||
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Frolossus
United States4779 Posts
On January 14 2015 15:21 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote: I thought that dcap first was bad on mids unless they have some sort of utility ap scaling (shields/heals etc.) and that void pretty much always provides more damage. dcap first was standard when dfg sucked and chalice wasn't necessary | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
I think even with the old old blue buff people would have eventually figured out that athene's was better (if it had existed) it's funny to think about it now but it actually took Riot over buffing the item and rapidstar/toyz abusing it at worlds for it to catch on, and I'm pretty sure the original version was better than now iirc. | ||
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Bearded Elder29904 Posts
BUT as Riot mentioned, there will be a big difference between this and last years placements and confirmed that ranked you finished with in the pre-season will have a huge impact on your division, once you finish placements. | ||
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Kinie
United States3106 Posts
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JazzVortical
Australia1825 Posts
On January 14 2015 16:24 Kinie wrote: Personally, I'm expecting the games on a pro level to last much longer once DFG is removed. It was one of the few items that a Mage could buy to try and chunk down a tank line quickly, and with it gone we'll probably see the return of 2x tanks in top and jungle and just be unkillable walls that just walk up and start doing Godzilla slaps with the enemy tank lines, as the Mage and ADC just poke and hope to god to not die once the tanks get to them. Someone brought up something similar to this in the thread on the Riot boards. The response from Jag: The interesting issue with DFG is that despite being a nuke scaling off of percentage health and therefore in theory being a tank shredder, it ends up being arguably more potent on squishies since it reduces the threshold required to one shot a carry's low health pool by 20%. Your point suggests to me that maybe there's an itemization hole for mages that want to deal with health stacking (that Liandry's is not currently serving). I think that's a good issue for us to keep an eye on. So they are at least thinking about it. Liandry's generally needs a certain type of kit to really function as a tank shredding item. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
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Frolossus
United States4779 Posts
On January 14 2015 16:30 JazzVortical wrote: Someone brought up something similar to this in the thread on the Riot boards. The response from Jag: So they are at least thinking about it. Liandry's generally needs a certain type of kit to really function as a tank shredding item. the issue with the item is that like dfg, it's actually better against squishies because of the MR mitigation i think that the way to have health shred not be better against squishies than tanks is to change it so that instead of being on percent health, make it a flat number that scales based on health value. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
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