[Patch 4.21] Rek'Sai General Discussion - Page 151

On January 14 2015 11:36 JazzVortical wrote:
I have played a lot of MidKoz actually. He does function differently I agree. I'm not going to walk up and DFG Mundo to tankbust as you suggest. You'll will be wrecked. You haven't justified putting yourself in harms way for potential damage when you can stay back and guarantee your damage from safety.

On January 14 2015 11:37 Slusher wrote:
Kat kinda needs dfg to get the ball rolling if shes the only one fed on her team.

On January 14 2015 11:46 Gahlo wrote:

Isn't the Triple MPen build still decent?

On January 14 2015 11:41 PrinceXizor wrote:


Its not walk up its let them come to you. and mundo is one of those exceptions because he's one of the only champs that can sit there and take damage forever if he's not focused. vel koz's range means he doesn't have to approach, he forces people to approach him. if their tanks choose to slap fight yours then vel koz's range does wonders and you should win the fight outright. if they charge at you and your carry, vel koz is exceptional as slow retreating kiting, as three of his spells slow or disable in some way, and due to the way his ultimate works 1.5 seconds of his ulti is actually almost all of the damage. and with the tectonic disruption .75 stun you are almost ensured to get that 1.5 seconds before being disabled. and with the way his cast animation works you can buffer the slow as you get stunned to buy even more time. the DFG is to end people who get too close, not to be a main part of your game. a deathcap doesn't give more damage than DFG, and it doesn't give CDR which is an even more important stat for vel koz anyway.

On January 14 2015 11:31 wei2coolman wrote:

IMO it's the biggest hit on Ahri. Regular build on Ahri is just god awful, at least with syndra all her other builds are just as good, and DFG is just cream on top.
Leblanc has the cancer chalice splitpush build.
Katarina works just fine with Zhonya's first build, into DC -> voidstaff. DFG is optional.
Veigar can use DFG, but not necessary for him.

On January 14 2015 11:51 Sufficiency wrote:
DFG is not a core for Katarina. I think ideally she wants DFG to be core, but depending on the opposing team's composition sometimes you will have a lot of difficulty utilizing it correctly (i.e. due to a lot of CC on the other side). As a result you may be better off going straight into a full penetration build.

On January 14 2015 12:01 PrinceXizor wrote:
if you don't need to use DFG it means the enemy is losing every fight by ignoring you anyway and deathcap or any AP item like that isn't going to make a difference either way they are all functionally the same, because you would have won the fight with either. if you do need to use DFG its strictly better than deathcap for vel koz in every way. Rushing DFG is silly on vel koz, and not what i'm suggesting. but DFG is the best single item for damage after you get your penetration items. which was the point of what i was saying.

On January 14 2015 12:04 Frolossus wrote:

zhonya first is ass on kat
it's gonna go back to dcap->zhonyas


it's core, not having it means you give up resets
flat pen build is really bad

On January 14 2015 12:19 Sufficiency wrote:


DFG helps if you want to 100-0 someone. Against some teams you can't just go in and 100-0 because they have a freaking Blitzcrank who saves his ult just for you. You are better off making a slightly defensive build and focus on cleanup.

On January 14 2015 12:19 Kinie wrote:
I'll admit I'm not a Kat expert, but depending upon the matchup and team composition for your team (like if you're against an AD Assassin or AP Assassin) wouldn't it make more sense to go Haunting Guise > M. Pen Boots > Rabadons> Zhonyas > Abyssal? Get some early game magic pen. to win lane (because how often do mid laners grab MR blue runes over CDR runes?) and start the snowball early?

I dunno where you'd squeeze in DFG for Kat right now in the above build, maybe before M. Pen boots and just have tier 1 boots while you build up to DFG?

On January 14 2015 12:28 gtrsrs wrote:
They should have just made DFG a skillshot. But I'm fine with it being removed too... take us back to season 2 no one dies ever mode please, that was when the game was most fun (not sarcastic).