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Goumindong
Profile Joined February 2013
United States3529 Posts
January 11 2015 20:13 GMT
#2641
I don't know, its why i asked the TL braintrust
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
January 11 2015 20:17 GMT
#2642
On January 12 2015 05:03 AsnSensation wrote:
I've seen Sneaky and Doublelift spam kalista almost exclusively over the last 2 days which makes me think they are doing well with them in scrims. Kalista hype for lcs? Her first appearance in ogn was rather disappointing ;O

Also her E can burst Baron at 2k hp, doubling lvl 18 smite dmg which is ridiculous, needs to be fixed.

DL already has 2 massive highlight clips with kalista. So I'm guessing she's pretty stronk right now. Will be interesting to see the risk/reward ratio on how much ADC's value being able to cancel auto attacks.
liftlift > tsm
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
January 11 2015 20:26 GMT
#2643
I think Kalista is probably going to be similar to Draven in a way, except safer.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
January 11 2015 20:33 GMT
#2644
not sure if trolling but Sneaky has been doing this weird early hurricane build on her.
Carrilord has arrived.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
January 11 2015 20:38 GMT
#2645
I think the no AA-Cancelling for Kalista is not nearly as detrimental as you originally think. I guess it leaves you more vulnerable to Flash-Rune Prison or Flash-Tibbers type initiation, but with the jump you move as far as you would have in the time if you cancelled (after lvl 6 or so, once the Auto animation cleans up) plus its a herky-jerky movement, which is superior to smooth walking in many ways.
Freeeeeeedom
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
January 11 2015 20:38 GMT
#2646
On January 12 2015 05:33 Slusher wrote:
not sure if trolling but Sneaky has been doing this weird early hurricane build on her.


doublelift too, they're also maxing E and with hurrican it spreads the e passive to both champions and minions really fast which almost guarantees the instant cooldown from killing a unit.

Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35172 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-11 20:46:01
January 11 2015 20:42 GMT
#2647
On January 12 2015 01:19 Slusher wrote:
as an aside (first world problems inc) I hope that Riot eventually adds a "random" skin option I hate when I obsolete my old skins and really have no reason to choose them anymore.

I'm only really good with flex picks were I designate different skins to different roles (yes I actually do this)

Since the client checks which one you use last, I just cycle through them in those cases.

On January 12 2015 01:33 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2015 01:21 Scip wrote:
The influx of new guides in strategy section makes me think, do we want it to make a rule that they have to post a link to their account so we can more easily dismiss the bullshit as completely unproven and untested?

This will be something I propose to the rest of staff.
There should obv be some level of merit when it comes to posting strategy.

I know in the past, specifically when I asked you, if I could write a guide thread for a champion that was left seriously outdated you okayed it and the things just went like normal when I posted the new thread.

In the end it will come down to a) does the OP know what they're talking about and b) are they willing to consider other viewpoints and curate the thread appropriately.

On January 12 2015 05:17 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2015 05:03 AsnSensation wrote:
I've seen Sneaky and Doublelift spam kalista almost exclusively over the last 2 days which makes me think they are doing well with them in scrims. Kalista hype for lcs? Her first appearance in ogn was rather disappointing ;O

Also her E can burst Baron at 2k hp, doubling lvl 18 smite dmg which is ridiculous, needs to be fixed.

DL already has 2 massive highlight clips with kalista. So I'm guessing she's pretty stronk right now. Will be interesting to see the risk/reward ratio on how much ADC's value being able to cancel auto attacks.

To blindly parrot Montecristo, Kalista's inability to cancel/animation cancel autos is a champion specific skill that nobody ever had a need to develop so understanding how to play her well at a competitive level is going to take some time. On top of that, this also takes into account adjusting to AS slows when playing her too.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
January 11 2015 21:02 GMT
#2648
w00t. got superb villain veigar! :D
liftlift > tsm
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21244 Posts
January 11 2015 21:08 GMT
#2649
On January 12 2015 05:33 Slusher wrote:
not sure if trolling but Sneaky has been doing this weird early hurricane build on her.


Hurricane applies rend on all the split autos which is nice.
TranslatorBaa!
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
January 11 2015 21:08 GMT
#2650
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Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-11 21:09:45
January 11 2015 21:08 GMT
#2651
I thought about maxing E first when I saw her kit, since she's got a total AD ratio on her Q anyway, and it's easier to trade, disengage then auto a minion and E to damage the enemy champion without putting it on cd, so you're ready to trade again, than to mark a minion a bunch then Q him through to move the stacks to a champion behind.
After they changed the damage formula on it though I wasn't so sure, since it reduced it a bunch (well not so much if you don't max it, but still).

Ya but Cheep we don't see Twitch doing the same for his poison for example. The lack of width on Hurricane's secondary bolts make it hard to use it well.
I guess it's pretty good at giving her waveclear though, which she lacks otherwise.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-11 21:22:45
January 11 2015 21:22 GMT
#2652
Well twitch isn't mobile and his e doesn't reset on kills.That kinda ruins the whole thing.She has decent waveclear but she has to max q for it which is shit unless you go for ie>ghostblade which doesn't seem to be that good.

Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
January 11 2015 21:23 GMT
#2653
people thought it was going to be amazing on Twitch, Varus and Kog for similar reasons but it didn't pan out, it might be the reset, but I think it's more the reset + getting mobility from attack speed.
Carrilord has arrived.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35172 Posts
January 11 2015 21:30 GMT
#2654
On January 12 2015 06:23 Slusher wrote:
people thought it was going to be amazing on Twitch, Varus and Kog for similar reasons but it didn't pan out, it might be the reset, but I think it's more the reset + getting mobility from attack speed.

The issues with those champions and Hurricane:
Twitch: 0 mobility assistance. Ult range can outrange Hurricane passive.
Varus: 0 mobility assistance, utility of his spells outweighs the "stack up everybody and pop em all in AOE" fantasy.
Kog: Bio-Arcane Barrage can outrange Hurricane.

What really kills the item is that it doesn't adjust it's range to the champion.
oo_Wonderful_oo
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
The land of freedom23126 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-11 21:37:40
January 11 2015 21:36 GMT
#2655
On January 12 2015 06:08 Alaric wrote:
I thought about maxing E first when I saw her kit, since she's got a total AD ratio on her Q anyway, and it's easier to trade, disengage then auto a minion and E to damage the enemy champion without putting it on cd, so you're ready to trade again, than to mark a minion a bunch then Q him through to move the stacks to a champion behind.
After they changed the damage formula on it though I wasn't so sure, since it reduced it a bunch (well not so much if you don't max it, but still).

Ya but Cheep we don't see Twitch doing the same for his poison for example. The lack of width on Hurricane's secondary bolts make it hard to use it well.
I guess it's pretty good at giving her waveclear though, which she lacks otherwise.


Because Twitch has way better items to synergise with kit and has completely different playstyle from what hurricane supposed to do.

Inb4 Kalista transitions to sololane with hurricane and double lifesteal builds.

On January 12 2015 06:30 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2015 06:23 Slusher wrote:
people thought it was going to be amazing on Twitch, Varus and Kog for similar reasons but it didn't pan out, it might be the reset, but I think it's more the reset + getting mobility from attack speed.

The issues with those champions and Hurricane:
Twitch: 0 mobility assistance. Ult range can outrange Hurricane passive.
Varus: 0 mobility assistance, utility of his spells outweighs the "stack up everybody and pop em all in AOE" fantasy.
Kog: Bio-Arcane Barrage can outrange Hurricane.

What really kills the item is that it doesn't adjust it's range to the champion.


Varus isn't in hurricane range usually as well, unless you get some hilarious 5-man ult.
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Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
January 11 2015 21:37 GMT
#2656
It's not that you "outrange" Hurricane, because it seeks secondary targets in a circle around the main target. It is that said range is 375 (to give you an idea, Lux's E has a 300 radius), so if you use your long range to attack someone, either you're positioned far yourself and there are less people coming for you (too spread to deal damage) or you're hitting a ranged opponent in the back (less people too usually).

I guess people wanted to make Q for the poke on Kalista, and it's true that it gains 60 base damage per level.
My idea was that maxing Rend you can very easily outdamage Q (or even 2 Qs), and if you're good enough about positioning and choosing when to fight to disengage then auto a minion and execute it (made easier as you level Rend since it increases the damage for a single stack), you're not constrained by its cooldown anymore. That removes a constraint on your ability to engage on your terms, and since her passive makes it easy to get somewhat in range, I think it makes her super flexible.

No idea how the damage formula change weakens her (or not) during the laning stage though.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
January 11 2015 21:39 GMT
#2657
holy shit that build is really fun to play lol.
Carrilord has arrived.
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
January 11 2015 21:40 GMT
#2658
The real question is why is everyone building ie when they go hurricane without any crit items.It is kind of a shitty item if you don't have any other crit.
Goumindong
Profile Joined February 2013
United States3529 Posts
January 11 2015 21:43 GMT
#2659
I have played against hurricane kalista and it was very effective. On the other hand, we got destroyed in lane, because i was counterpicked (FP janna they pick blitz) and our AD decided to counterpick herself(Vayne) and get hooked a whole bunch.
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
January 11 2015 21:44 GMT
#2660
That isn't counterpicking yourself.Vayne/janna should beat blitz/kalista.
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