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Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
November 21 2014 18:36 GMT
#181
wow, so many posts without even a single timer for the 1st jungle clear. do you even test guys?
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29903 Posts
November 21 2014 18:39 GMT
#182
No, we're waiting for your videos.
WriterSalty oldboy that loves memes | One and only back-to-back Liquibet Winner
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
November 21 2014 18:48 GMT
#183
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NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-21 19:16:21
November 21 2014 18:58 GMT
#184
Just played a Jungle Shy game myself and she feels pretty decent. My clear was suboptimal but I'm just trying to familiarize myself with the new jungle items. Stalker/Devourer made the most sense to me given her kit. Nice to have a slow active and not be forced into BotRK on her.

Edit: I'm logged in NA atm. Chat is down. Still getting higher ping than pre-4.20 (flux 110-120, as opposed to 34).
Edit2: ran Red>Wraiths>Wolves>Frog off just one pot. Smited on Red and Frog, didn't feel like I had enough hp to finish on Blue. idr the time after that route, gomen.
Edit3: what other junglers are ideal users for Devourer? Shy and Yi seem the most obv.
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Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-21 19:02:08
November 21 2014 19:01 GMT
#185
On November 22 2014 03:39 739 wrote:
No, we're waiting for your videos.

http://www.twitch.tv/scipaeus/profile
tested Rammus, Olaf, Elise, Skarner, Yi, Eve. All except Eve contain some dubious micro so consider them benchmarks rather than the best you can do.
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
November 21 2014 19:05 GMT
#186
On November 22 2014 03:21 NovaTheFeared wrote:
One thing about Kalista's kit that should be clear is that leveling ult past rank 1 is not worth it. It only reduces CD, and 90s is low enough for a fight initiate. Riot doesn't make very many champs where leveling your ultimate is wrong, but this is one of them.


Yeah I'm wondering if Riot will make the range scale or something in future patches cause as is you typically max every other skill before getting levels 2 & 3 in ult.
chalice
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1945 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-21 19:35:56
November 21 2014 19:25 GMT
#187
On November 22 2014 03:22 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2014 03:14 chalice wrote:
do you guys think it's better on shyvana to finish devourer at ~8:45 with no boots or ~10min with boots? obviously you want to start stacking it ASAP, but even with W the lack of movespeed is pretty noticeable and you basically don't ever need to back once you finish devourer so it might be a really long time with no boots before your next back.

Can Shyv clear far enough with a leash where she can pick up jungle blade + boots? Because if so, that's when I'd say to pick em up.

yeah you can even get jungle blade + boots + AS dagger if you risk sticking around with low HP. best route i've found is rocks - red - birds - wolves - rocks - blue - frog - then maybe birds again. i start QEW smiting rocks and birds, W first or second is faster but the QE start with AS marks + 1 AS and 2 lifesteal quints gives you noticeably more HP.

basically you gotta abuse your Q's interaction with the rock smite stun to get a good first clear.

oh and masteries you can actually get away with 21/9/0 with a similar amount of hp as 9/21/0 if you take feast and don't take double-edged sword (you can feel the extra 1% damage from camps).
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
November 21 2014 19:31 GMT
#188
If you just clear, why not do rocks -> bids -> red so you can smite red and get more HP back? Then wolves -> rocks (smite) -> blue -> frog (smite).
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
GrandInquisitor *
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
New York City13113 Posts
November 21 2014 19:35 GMT
#189
Someone suggests that a bug bounty system for Riot, akin to what Google, Adobe, Apple, Microsoft etc. all do, would make sense. Osmoses proceeds to take a condescending tone and spout shit out of his ass as to why it'd be a "retarded" thing for Riot to do:

On October 23 2014 17:55 Osmoses wrote:
Way to encourage the entire community to hack your game. Brilliant strategy.

On October 23 2014 18:51 Osmoses wrote:
Riot is not a bank, and they don't make high-profile security software. They make a game, and if people finding exploits in your game do not immediately affect your sales, why spend money trying to fix it? It's the same reasoning they use to explain why they still have the shitty death recaps, there's just not enough to gain from spending resources on it.

They fix things when they become a big enough problem to need fixing. That's just good business.

I can see why the companies you listed would do it. First of all they can afford it, second of all it's zero risk because adobe for example don't piss off their other customers by letting hackers dick around with their own copies of photoshop, but to actively encourage people to hack a multiplayer game would just be retarded.

I'm a software developer. I know anything I've written that is over one or two years old simply isn't up to my current standards. The last thing I want is to encourage other people to find faults with it. I KNOW it's shitty, but for me to go back and fix my old code that works perfectly fine as long as you're not actively trying to fuck with it is just a huge time and moneysink that I don't see anyone but huge companies like Google, Mozilla, Microsoft, Adobe, etc being able to afford, and I definitely don't fault Riot for not fixing anything that's not making headlines.

Also, to fuck around with old code is asking for trouble, as Riot above all have proven again and again. Every time they change something, new bugs crop up. Now that's how you piss off your customers.

http://www.riotgames.com/articles/20141121/1622/hunt-introducing-riot’s-bug-bounty-program

Fuck you Osmoses.
What fun is it being cool if you can’t wear a sombrero?
AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
November 21 2014 19:41 GMT
#190
No one expects the Grand Inquisition.
WriterTL > RL. BNet: Asmodeus#1187 - LoL: DJForeclosure - Steam: asmodeusxi | www.n3rddimension.com
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
November 21 2014 19:42 GMT
#191
fucking gg
chalice
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1945 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-21 19:55:50
November 21 2014 19:43 GMT
#192
On November 22 2014 04:31 Alaric wrote:
If you just clear, why not do rocks -> bids -> red so you can smite red and get more HP back? Then wolves -> rocks (smite) -> blue -> frog (smite).

i didn't even think of this and it's probably a good idea if you want to push for a blade+dagger+dagger first back or you're worried about being too low against a strong opposing jungler who might invade.

smiting red does add some travel time as well, but the main reason i like smiting birds is that even if you don't gank, it gives you at least a little bit of map presence by clearing a ward mid or top.

edit: although if you're worried about being invaded you can just back safely after boots + blade money i think
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
November 21 2014 19:46 GMT
#193
On November 22 2014 04:41 AsmodeusXI wrote:
No one expects the Grand Inquisition.

If I was in my computer this is where I would copy and paste the list of all the different ways he just got wrecked.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
November 21 2014 19:48 GMT
#194
Messing around with jungle, damn that thing is frail. Wouldn't be surprised if roaming support specific to counter jungling enemy jungler at levels 1-4 becomes a bigger thing.
liftlift > tsm
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
November 21 2014 19:50 GMT
#195
On November 22 2014 04:31 Alaric wrote:
If you just clear, why not do rocks -> bids -> red so you can smite red and get more HP back? Then wolves -> rocks (smite) -> blue -> frog (smite).


I don't understand why you're suggesting going from wolves all the way back to rocks and then all the way back to blue.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
November 21 2014 19:52 GMT
#196
I didn't really check it, I just pasted his routed and switched to have smite on red/frog/krugs, which was originally:
rocks - red - birds - wolves - rocks - blue - frog - then maybe birds again
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
November 21 2014 19:52 GMT
#197
On November 22 2014 03:58 NeoIllusions wrote:
Edit3: what other junglers are ideal users for Devourer? Shy and Yi seem the most obv.

nunu Warwick volibear nautilus Udyr Jax Yi Shyvana Aatrox cho gath kayle
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-21 20:05:13
November 21 2014 19:53 GMT
#198
Alright finally updated LoL, now to experiment with the main man J4. Will update with results
Running: 21/9 with AD red/quints, flat armour yellows and flat MR blues (Nothing particularly new)

Try 1: Started golems > red. Got my shit rekt, burnt both pots. Would have died to raptors. Lessons were learnt
Try 2: Red > Raptors > Wolves > Blue. Far better, burnt pot at red and burnt one at raptors. Finished clear at 3:45

Wonder is currently in game, will try to rope him into pulling golems for me to try that out

Experiments in shen jungle:
Set up: 9/21, MS quints, AS red, flat armour yellows and flat armour blues (Again nothing ground breaking)

Ran the same route as I did on J4 Red > Raptors > Wolves > Blue, I found that my smite came up before I finish wolves so I may not need to take wolves in the first place. Considering I decided for the purposes of emulation taking taunt at level 3 I could have had a faster clear time if I wanted. Finished the route at 4:05
Glorious SEA doto
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-21 19:58:34
November 21 2014 19:54 GMT
#199
On November 22 2014 04:50 Seuss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2014 04:31 Alaric wrote:
If you just clear, why not do rocks -> bids -> red so you can smite red and get more HP back? Then wolves -> rocks (smite) -> blue -> frog (smite).


I don't understand why you're suggesting going from wolves all the way back to rocks and then all the way back to blue.

Yeah, that's a ton of walking and I didn't know how to ask otherwise, l0l. I was thinking "do you back to base somewhere in this route? This can't possibly be one single clear."

On November 22 2014 04:52 PrinceXizor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2014 03:58 NeoIllusions wrote:
Edit3: what other junglers are ideal users for Devourer? Shy and Yi seem the most obv.

nunu Warwick volibear nautilus Udyr Jax Yi Shyvana Aatrox cho gath kayle


What... I don't believe. That's a wide range of junglers and I'm less than inclined to believe that they're all good Devourer users.
Nunu, Voli, Naut seems more fitting with Jugg while Cho seems better with Magus.
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Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-21 19:55:32
November 21 2014 19:55 GMT
#200
On November 22 2014 04:52 Alaric wrote:
I didn't really check it, I just pasted his routed and switched to have smite on red/frog/krugs, which was originally:
Show nested quote +
rocks - red - birds - wolves - rocks - blue - frog - then maybe birds again


Ah.

But yeah, going back for rocks (best name) like that adds 20+ seconds of unnecessary travel time to your route. Don't do that.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
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