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On November 15 2014 01:38 GrandInquisitor wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2014 17:37 M2 wrote:On November 14 2014 05:19 Celial wrote:
I also discovered that a bad support is the most infuriating thing in the world. Nah, not even close, nothing beats delusional jungler vs adequate jungler. This is the role where when you get skill gap, it becomes from hardest to impossible to comeback. Too many junglers think this is the easiest role since you don't have to deal with a constant enemy pressure in lane, but actually this is the hardest role, its just hidden behind a deeper understanding how the game works. So when you get a jungler who pressures the lanes in the right moments, ward own and enemy jungle, counter gank most of the time vs a standard route farming jungle that make ganks when he happens to be near a lane, then your team is in a deep shit if you don't have superior players on every single other role:-) This is an interesting discussion that I've thought about a couple of times: which role really is the most idiotproof? * A bad top can lead to a late game monster on the other side, e.g., a Jax or Nasus that got to freefarm. Sometimes it leads to a huge snowball against you, e.g., a Riven or Rumble that is just deleting your whole team. The least of my concerns. * A bad mid usually leads to an assassin on the other side that will delete anyone on the same screen (e.g., a fed Annie or Zed). This is true even for mages that are not traditionally assassins (e.g., an Orianna that can Q-R-W one shot). The second-least of my concerns. * A bad ADC means you miss out on a ton of damage, and it's really important to dive and shut down their ADC. * A bad support means you don't have good vision, and is also like having a bad ADC if they have halfway-decent dive and you can't otherwise peel. The second-worst outcome. * A bad jungler means being counterjungled, missing out on neutral objectives, missing out on buffs, and possibly snowballing every single opponent lane (or at least letting the other jungler choose which lanes he wants to snowball). I also think jungler builds are the most delicate/sensitive to the game situation, and a Warwick 30 minutes in with a Wriggle's Lantern and a Recurve Bow is going to be ugly. I think this is by far the worst.
Having a bad support i the least negatively impactful. Just in a farm priority mind set. If your support is your worse player he is also the player that is getting the least gold and also not wasting gold. (For instance top getting zoned and actively losing possible gold/cs) And as the game extends the Adc isn't as depend on the support as they are in laning phase and can get back in the game.
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On November 15 2014 03:00 Celial wrote:
So. I just checked my op.gg. Out of the last 25 games, I have won two. I would say that in about half those games, someone on my team gave firstblood on the first minion wave. I would say that in exactly zero of these games we had someone who built defensive items. Oh that's wrong, I think I had a Rengar once with a Wardens Mail. I think there were five or six games in which the enemy team had tanky champions. However IF they had tanks, then they were running triple tank teams.
I'm about ready to quit the game. But then I can't help myself and am queuing up again...
a more useful mindset is to accept that you have no control over what the other people in the game are doing. focus on your own game.
im sure in each of those games there were ways you could have played differently or better.
playing on tilt is also a bad idea.
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I've heard on good authority that being mad in a league game is good because it lets you focus more. Always tilt, never not tilt.
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On November 15 2014 03:14 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
I've heard on good authority that being mad in a league game is good because it lets you focus more. Always tilt, never not tilt.
im following the idra approach: if youre not getting mad, you dont care enough
dude almost became a blizzcon champion in a moba, thats more than anyone here in the thread could ever say so he must be right
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On November 15 2014 03:14 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
I've heard on good authority that being mad in a league game is good because it lets you focus more. Always tilt, never not tilt.
lol did 5hit say this. Pretty sure he's the exception XD.
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On November 15 2014 03:27 krndandaman wrote:
If you only won 2 out of 25 games, chances are you made as much mistakes as your bad teammates.
Edit for clarity chances are you made more mistakes than your bad teammates.
People, if they are in the right elo average about 50% win rate. So the fact that you keep dropping indicates that you can't play at the level of your peers.
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GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
This is why I think in normals you need to have a no-holds-barred attitude and go balls to the wall as much as you can. Until you push your limits you will never know what those limits are and what you're capable of. For example, I have a friend who played Fizz and couldn't get anything done; it wasn't until I spectated him that I realized how many times he missed lethal simply because he wasn't used to going all-in all the time (e.g., QW-ignite at level 2).
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United Kingdom50293 Posts
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So I came across a new hack in league last night. A support malphite was doing 2k damage with ground slam with his items being face of the mountain/banshee and frozen heart. As well as out running a singed with ms quints swiftys ult and ghost on. He always had the zilean buff icon on him and could ult back to back. After being called out by our team a few times he afked in base for a bit till all his teammates died and they lost
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Bearded Elder29903 Posts
Damn, nothing worth buying :\
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On November 15 2014 03:38 jaybrundage wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2014 03:27 krndandaman wrote:
If you only won 2 out of 25 games, chances are you made as much mistakes as your bad teammates. Edit for clarity chances are you made more mistakes than your bad teammates.People, if they are in the right elo average about 50% win rate. So the fact that you keep dropping indicates that you can't play at the level of your peers.
Some people win the lottery when the chances are very slim, I'm pretty sure you can have shitters in your team 25 times in a row without breaking a fundamental rule of reality tbh.
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On November 15 2014 04:53 739 wrote:Damn, nothing worth buying :\
Take that back!
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the point is that people have serious misconceptions about their own level of play and their own responsibility for their losing streaks far more often than they are a statistical outlier with an extreme amount of bad teammates.
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On November 15 2014 05:01 chalice wrote:
the point is that people have serious misconceptions about their own level of play and their own responsibility for their losing streaks far more often than they are a statistical outlier with an extreme amount of bad teammates.
I think that the reverse is true as well. People will always tell you that if you're "stuck" somewhere it necessarily means that you suck when there is actually a chance that you're just getting unlucky.
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On November 15 2014 05:07 Maluk wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2014 05:01 chalice wrote:
the point is that people have serious misconceptions about their own level of play and their own responsibility for their losing streaks far more often than they are a statistical outlier with an extreme amount of bad teammates. I think that the reverse is true as well. People will always tell you that if you're "stuck" somewhere it necessarily means that you suck when there is actually a chance that you're just getting unlucky.
Luck always goes hand to hand with skill in my experience.
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On November 15 2014 05:15 NukeD wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2014 05:07 Maluk wrote:On November 15 2014 05:01 chalice wrote:
the point is that people have serious misconceptions about their own level of play and their own responsibility for their losing streaks far more often than they are a statistical outlier with an extreme amount of bad teammates. I think that the reverse is true as well. People will always tell you that if you're "stuck" somewhere it necessarily means that you suck when there is actually a chance that you're just getting unlucky. Luck always goes hand to hand with skill in my experience.
So you're telling me someone who wins the lottery is more "skilled" at the lottery than other people ?
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It's all about what people are willing to accept for variance. Perhaps 25 games of losing is a perfectly normal sample size and should be expected to balance out with a similar win streak, or maybe 25 games isn't large enough to deduce much besides less than expected level of play from that person.
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Nah Heartseeker is the best by far.
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