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Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
November 20 2014 16:04 GMT
#1221
On November 21 2014 00:38 DrunkenOne wrote:
Is it best to start golem/frogs even if you have a leash?


If you have a leash I feel like starting Red is best unless you're really intent on using it to gank early. Frog and Golem are okay alternatives.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
November 20 2014 16:08 GMT
#1222
On November 21 2014 01:04 Seuss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2014 00:38 DrunkenOne wrote:
Is it best to start golem/frogs even if you have a leash?


If you have a leash I feel like starting Red is best unless you're really intent on using it to gank early. Frog and Golem are okay alternatives.

Why? frog and golem help you clear faster if you smite them, red doesn't
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
Fildun
Profile Joined December 2012
Netherlands4124 Posts
November 20 2014 16:24 GMT
#1223
I've run some tests on jungle malphite and I've found that he has half hp after clearing red, which for me is the best I've seen so far. Got 3:35 for red buff clear, so a bit slow though :/
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
November 20 2014 16:38 GMT
#1224
On November 21 2014 01:24 Fildun wrote:
I've run some tests on jungle malphite and I've found that he has half hp after clearing red, which for me is the best I've seen so far. Got 3:35 for red buff clear, so a bit slow though :/

cho does pretty well, and obv fiddle/ww/nunu are easy as hell.
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
November 20 2014 16:41 GMT
#1225
Doing a couple quick tests with Sejuani, I was definitely able to clear better starting golems than I was starting red.

That stun saves you a lot of HP for some raisin.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-20 16:46:46
November 20 2014 16:45 GMT
#1226
On November 21 2014 01:08 Scip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2014 01:04 Seuss wrote:
On November 21 2014 00:38 DrunkenOne wrote:
Is it best to start golem/frogs even if you have a leash?


If you have a leash I feel like starting Red is best unless you're really intent on using it to gank early. Frog and Golem are okay alternatives.

Why? frog and golem help you clear faster if you smite them, red doesn't


Unless I'm mistaken the stun from Gift of Heavy Hands (from doubles) doesn't have any damage attached. You only get bonus damage versus turrets, so in the jungle it's a pure sustain buff.

Red buff gives sustain and clearspeed, and you'll basically heal most of the damage it did to you when you Smite it if you have a leash. It's also better located for the purposes of leashing (potential help from two lanes, rather than just one).

I don't think there's one right answer to the question, but I think Red is a pretty good place to start when you have a leash. Otherwise it's better to start Frog or Krugs/Golems/Doubles/whatever the hell we're calling them.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-20 16:49:50
November 20 2014 16:46 GMT
#1227
So apparently at high elo four smites is already a thing, haven't had a chance to look into what they do with it yet though.

Trying to look into it tabzz seems to be the only person really doing lane smites, he went devourer on kalista but his four smite team got rekt anyway. He also went warrior on ezreal as his first item after brutalizer and he actually won
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chalice
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1945 Posts
November 20 2014 16:47 GMT
#1228
not sure how long fiddle, nunu, and ww's mana will last, but i think lucian might have the safest jungle clear in the game. the combination of his double tap passive + rock golem smite buff and some kiting means he takes a ridiculously small amount of damage.

i was able to stay in the jungle long enough to do red buff twice and have enough gold to buy a tier 3 jungle item on my first back.
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
November 20 2014 16:48 GMT
#1229
It depends on how the first Smite bonus 100 experience works.

It would be hilarious if multiple Smites on the same target stacked, and you could pass all that experience on to your jungler. More practical though would be four champions entering lane at level 2.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
November 20 2014 17:03 GMT
#1230
On November 21 2014 01:47 chalice wrote:
not sure how long fiddle, nunu, and ww's mana will last, but i think lucian might have the safest jungle clear in the game. the combination of his double tap passive + rock golem smite buff and some kiting means he takes a ridiculously small amount of damage.

i was able to stay in the jungle long enough to do red buff twice and have enough gold to buy a tier 3 jungle item on my first back.

nunu has infinite mana because 5 mana/sec is enough with his passive. obviously if you are max spamming you'll run low eventually, but with intelligent passive use, you are totally fine. WW does absolutely fine, and fiddle runs out of mana after about two full clears without backing.

generally speaking if you wait too long to go back you auto lose the jungle fight. boots+2nd tier machete just adds so much to invader jungling.
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-20 17:05:42
November 20 2014 17:04 GMT
#1231
EDIT: im dumb mock me.
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
November 20 2014 17:07 GMT
#1232
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
November 20 2014 17:16 GMT
#1233
I had a sudden flashback to S1 about explaining how you need to get W spellvamp on Smite and Q to stay high HP on Lee.
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Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29905 Posts
November 20 2014 17:17 GMT
#1234
Lee es easy peasy, shield yourself and get things going.
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NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
November 20 2014 17:20 GMT
#1235
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