I've run some tests on jungle malphite and I've found that he has half hp after clearing red, which for me is the best I've seen so far. Got 3:35 for red buff clear, so a bit slow though :/

PrinceXizor

United States17713 Posts

November 20 2014 16:38 GMT

#1224

On November 21 2014 01:24 Fildun wrote:
I've run some tests on jungle malphite and I've found that he has half hp after clearing red, which for me is the best I've seen so far. Got 3:35 for red buff clear, so a bit slow though :/

cho does pretty well, and obv fiddle/ww/nunu are easy as hell.

Ketara

United States15065 Posts

November 20 2014 16:41 GMT

#1225

Doing a couple quick tests with Sejuani, I was definitely able to clear better starting golems than I was starting red.

That stun saves you a lot of HP for some raisin.

Seuss

United States10536 Posts

November 20 2014 16:45 GMT

#1226

On November 21 2014 01:08 Scip wrote:

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Why? frog and golem help you clear faster if you smite them, red doesn't

Unless I'm mistaken the stun from Gift of Heavy Hands (from doubles) doesn't have any damage attached. You only get bonus damage versus turrets, so in the jungle it's a pure sustain buff.

Red buff gives sustain and clearspeed, and you'll basically heal most of the damage it did to you when you Smite it if you have a leash. It's also better located for the purposes of leashing (potential help from two lanes, rather than just one).

I don't think there's one right answer to the question, but I think Red is a pretty good place to start when you have a leash. Otherwise it's better to start Frog or Krugs/Golems/Doubles/whatever the hell we're calling them.

Fusilero

United Kingdom50293 Posts

November 20 2014 16:46 GMT

#1227

So apparently at high elo four smites is already a thing, haven't had a chance to look into what they do with it yet though.

Trying to look into it tabzz seems to be the only person really doing lane smites, he went devourer on kalista but his four smite team got rekt anyway. He also went warrior on ezreal as his first item after brutalizer and he actually won

chalice

United States1945 Posts

November 20 2014 16:47 GMT

#1228

not sure how long fiddle, nunu, and ww's mana will last, but i think lucian might have the safest jungle clear in the game. the combination of his double tap passive + rock golem smite buff and some kiting means he takes a ridiculously small amount of damage.

i was able to stay in the jungle long enough to do red buff twice and have enough gold to buy a tier 3 jungle item on my first back.

Seuss

United States10536 Posts

November 20 2014 16:48 GMT

#1229

It depends on how the first Smite bonus 100 experience works.

It would be hilarious if multiple Smites on the same target stacked, and you could pass all that experience on to your jungler. More practical though would be four champions entering lane at level 2.

PrinceXizor

United States17713 Posts

November 20 2014 17:03 GMT

#1230

On November 21 2014 01:47 chalice wrote:
not sure how long fiddle, nunu, and ww's mana will last, but i think lucian might have the safest jungle clear in the game. the combination of his double tap passive + rock golem smite buff and some kiting means he takes a ridiculously small amount of damage.

i was able to stay in the jungle long enough to do red buff twice and have enough gold to buy a tier 3 jungle item on my first back.

nunu has infinite mana because 5 mana/sec is enough with his passive. obviously if you are max spamming you'll run low eventually, but with intelligent passive use, you are totally fine. WW does absolutely fine, and fiddle runs out of mana after about two full clears without backing.

generally speaking if you wait too long to go back you auto lose the jungle fight. boots+2nd tier machete just adds so much to invader jungling.