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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
Or if you want just the pure upgrade cost/benefits:
The AP/AD ones don't look underwhelming to me. They may not be your first priority but they all look good. | ||
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Bearded Elder29905 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On October 14 2014 02:34 Seuss wrote: Machete is 400g, and the first upgrade is 350g. That means for 1500g you have your choice of:
Or if you want just the pure upgrade cost/benefits:
The AP/AD ones don't look underwhelming to me. They may not be your first priority but they all look good. Maybe it's just because it looks really weird to me that all but 1 has CDR. | ||
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LaNague
Germany9118 Posts
It just feels so artificial | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
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Velocirapture
United States983 Posts
On October 14 2014 03:34 Slusher wrote: I don't really get why Riot thinks early ganks are a bad thing, they can make the game dynamic. I get that like 2-3 junglers are way better at it than everyone else but that can be addressed at the hero level. In any case if ganking early is super risky in s4 I feel like jungle follow + 2v1s will be the undisputed best option for pro teams unless adc itemization gets hit pretty hard later in the preseason I don't think they hate early ganks, I think they dislike the idea of champions that hit their biggest power spike levels 1-5. The idea is that champs can all have different power curves but they should always have to earn it. How has Lee earned his huge level 3 power spike for early ganking? Every jungler should be similarly viable for the first 5 levels and only uptick after they have actually made some choices. I don't think early ganks will go away, I just think they will depend more on outplaying your opponent than outpicking him. | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On October 14 2014 03:29 LaNague wrote: i dont like this whole chain of strong jungle monsters-make weaker with certain items-restrict those items to smite users-give jungle buffs to smite users etc It just feels so artificial If the artificial solution is fun I'll enjoy the artificial solution. Emergent gameplay is wonderful but extremely hard to get right when you have so many variables to deal with. | ||
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
On October 14 2014 04:05 Seuss wrote: If the artificial solution is fun I'll enjoy the artificial solution. Emergent gameplay is wonderful but extremely hard to get right when you have so many variables to deal with. Doesn't really help when riot has a habit of nuking emergent gameplay. | ||
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Zess
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
On October 14 2014 04:10 Amui wrote: Doesn't really help when riot has a habit of nuking emergent gameplay. Once things start rolling, there's no turning back from Riot-Approved-Meta style balancing unless you completely reinvent everything Because almost by definition, strong emergent gameplay will be "toxic" because it is abusive corner cases that you didn't account for in development. If you are writing a web app that is a runtime sandbox for some scripting language, the only functional bugs that come out are infrastructure (platform doesn't work, security holes let users execute malicious code on your webserver, etc) issues because what you are developing is a foundation for the user to do whatever they want. If you are developing a particular functional piece, then "emergent behavior" with that will almost certainly be a functional issue/bug/"not a bug it's a feature!" because if you are designing something to be used in a particular way, if you didn't put in enough checks to make sure it can only be used that way, any divergent uses will cause things to break catastrophically | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
which was nerfed really hard near instantly (compared to say LB) both times it went fotm | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
see:Skarner going live, appearing to be very strong and nerfing him literally 2 weeks later what is the harm in letting it rock a bit when you have monthly patching | ||
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ArchAngelSC
England706 Posts
On October 14 2014 03:57 Velocirapture wrote: I don't think they hate early ganks, I think they dislike the idea of champions that hit their biggest power spike levels 1-5. The idea is that champs can all have different power curves but they should always have to earn it. How has Lee earned his huge level 3 power spike for early ganking? Every jungler should be similarly viable for the first 5 levels and only uptick after they have actually made some choices. I don't think early ganks will go away, I just think they will depend more on outplaying your opponent than outpicking him. He earned it by the sheer fact of him being Lee. The whole reason you pick lee is for early game control and sacrificing late game power. What you're saying is that all junglers should be weak early game and strong late game? Sounds fun ./sarcasm | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On October 14 2014 04:35 ArchAngelSC wrote: He earned it by the sheer fact of him being Lee. The whole reason you pick lee is for early game control and sacrificing late game power. What you're saying is that all junglers should be weak early game and strong late game? Sounds fun ./sarcasm League of Poppy | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On October 14 2014 04:54 Ketara wrote: It's hard to read you guys discussing Lee when you've been all "Oh Lee will never be played again" on about three seperate occasions. Considering all his other peers got nerfed too, that's the only reason he still sees play. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On October 14 2014 05:01 Shikyo wrote: The invade smite seems really silly. No combat benefit and 50% bonus gold off one monster in an enemy camp is sort of meh, especially when you consider the enemy could have a combat smite that makes them destroy you in engagements. Encouraging counterjungling when you aren't the stronger one, when counterjunging is generally done if you're stronger... Yeah, it just makes no sense. The point is to ward their jungle and counterjungle while they can't even get there to fight you. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On October 14 2014 05:03 Gahlo wrote: The point is to ward their jungle and counterjungle while they can't even get there to fight you. Oh boy. I get 20 extra gold now! Meanwhile in botlane, 'Ally has been slain. Ally has been slain. DOUBLE KILL.' | ||
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FinestHour
United States18466 Posts
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