• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 22:11
CEST 04:11
KST 11:11
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt2: All Star10Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists16[ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt1: Fresh Flow9[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt2: News Flash10[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt1: New Chaos0
Community News
2026 GSL Season 1 Qualifiers19Maestros of the Game 2 announced92026 GSL Tour plans announced15Weekly Cups (April 6-12): herO doubles, "Villains" prevail1MaNa leaves Team Liquid25
StarCraft 2
General
MaNa leaves Team Liquid Maestros of the Game 2 announced 2026 GSL Tour plans announced Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool
Tourneys
2026 GSL Season 1 Qualifiers INu's Battles#14 <BO.9 2Matches> Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament GSL CK: More events planned pending crowdfunding RSL Revival: Season 5 - Qualifiers and Main Event
Strategy
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3 [A] Nemrods 1/4 players [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
Mutation # 522 Flip My Base The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 521 Memorable Boss Mutation # 520 Moving Fees
Brood War
General
Leta's ASL S21 Ro.16 review BW General Discussion ASL21 General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Data needed
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2 [ASL21] Ro16 Group C [ASL21] Ro16 Group D
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers What's the deal with APM & what's its true value Any training maps people recommend? Fighting Spirit mining rates
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Dawn of War IV Diablo IV Total Annihilation Server - TAForever Starcraft Tabletop Miniature Game
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming
League of Legends
G2 just beat GenG in First stand
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread YouTube Thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion McBoner: A hockey love story Cricket [SPORT]
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Strange computer issues (software) [G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Sexual Health Of Gamers
TrAiDoS
lurker extra damage testi…
StaticNine
Broowar part 2
qwaykee
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Iranian anarchists: organize…
XenOsky
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1768 users

[Patch 4.18] Sion Reborn General Discussion - Page 25

Forum Index > LoL General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 23 24 25 26 27 157 Next
chalice
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1945 Posts
October 10 2014 21:21 GMT
#481
sion's kit definitely seems like it would work better in a support/peeling role. his Q is way better at zoning someone away from an area than it is catching someone out and 15% max hp on W away from the front lines where the shield can't be easily popped is significant damage on tanky diving champions.

but since you have to farm with him just to have normal champion hp levels you're stuck in some kind of nautilus style peeling jungler role (with terrible ganks but better farming/scaling) and i'm not sure that role is currently a viable thing.
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
October 10 2014 22:04 GMT
#482
Nightblu has been going on about how good sion was going to be when it hit so I watched him this morning, he makes it look pretty decent, I'd still take an old ap sion main on my team in solo q over this if I really needed a win though.
Carrilord has arrived.
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
October 10 2014 22:17 GMT
#483
On October 11 2014 07:04 Slusher wrote:
Nightblu has been going on about how good sion was going to be when it hit so I watched him this morning, he makes it look pretty decent, I'd still take an old ap sion main on my team in solo q over this if I really needed a win though.

Yeah he actually looked much worse on pbe than in ranked for nightblue.Was pleasantly surprised.There may be hope for soloq at least yet.
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
October 10 2014 22:18 GMT
#484
On October 11 2014 06:21 chalice wrote:
sion's kit definitely seems like it would work better in a support/peeling role. his Q is way better at zoning someone away from an area than it is catching someone out and 15% max hp on W away from the front lines where the shield can't be easily popped is significant damage on tanky diving champions.

but since you have to farm with him just to have normal champion hp levels you're stuck in some kind of nautilus style peeling jungler role (with terrible ganks but better farming/scaling) and i'm not sure that role is currently a viable thing.


All fighters / top laners work best in a support / peeling role. Lol.

Even like Rumble. It's not the damage that he gives that makes him good, it's the zone control that lets your AD go ham.
AlterKot
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
Poland7525 Posts
October 10 2014 22:30 GMT
#485
Guess this is kinda late answer to "is thorin good at interviewing", but... I don't know many interviewers, but of those I know, Thorin is my favorite. First of all, he asks almost none fluff-generic questions, it's always about gaming and almost always about the player he's interviewing (only 5-10% of the questions are interviewee's thoughts on something not directly related to him, such as some player's powerlevel, some orgs decision and such). Secondly, I think the fact he asks those long, detailed questions helps in acquiring interesting, honest answers, as opposed to empty, polite answers when the question is just too broad (for example: Travis interviews). Also, the question helps the player form the answers by giving them language to work with, not to mention it forces them to think about it and create an answer on the fly, again as oposed to your typical interview where the player just remembers his PR training and uses prepared forms and thought process. And finally, he's not afraid to push the players when he thinks they are either avoiding or don't understand the question, but at the same time he's willing to abandon the original question and follow player's though thread when he thinks that's more interesting. Not to mention he's one of the only to even try the long-form interview, and pretty much the only to succeed with it when it comes to progaming. Sadly I don't know pretty much any interviewers in other topics I could compare him to, which I should probably fix at some point, but from what I do know - no one else even comes close.

I don't really like his articles though. No particular reason, at least I can't think of one from the top of my head.
Americans don't like to use unblockables, it is considered not honest. You press a button at the wrong time and hit the other person, you are random, not a top player. You DP Sim's far fierce, it is random and not honest.
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
October 10 2014 22:31 GMT
#486
On October 11 2014 05:56 Fusilero wrote:
So ryze is back in Riot's sights again. Currently on PBE they've taken away mana scalings on E and W. Gonna be interesting to see where this goes.

I highly doubt those will go through without compensatory buffs.
Kenpark
Profile Joined March 2012
Germany2350 Posts
October 10 2014 22:36 GMT
#487
Akali change is for good I think. During laning I was like holy shit this even is a buff, you actually have some gank assist now and cs'ing is easier now, but late holy moly huge nerf. You can no longer jump in and just kill everything. On a champ like Akali with all the sustain resistances are godly.
I guess it's just Riot's philosophy to just even out all champ's power curves. Though I will def miss the godmode lategame that was Akali.
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
October 10 2014 22:52 GMT
#488
hm...I'm not convinced Akali ever had a good lategame. Every Akali I've ever seen has always rolled enemies post-6, but always seem to have trouble closing out the game even with shroud.
killerdog
Profile Joined February 2010
Denmark6522 Posts
October 10 2014 22:59 GMT
#489
On October 11 2014 07:31 Ryuu314 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2014 05:56 Fusilero wrote:
So ryze is back in Riot's sights again. Currently on PBE they've taken away mana scalings on E and W. Gonna be interesting to see where this goes.

I highly doubt those will go through without compensatory buffs.

I dunno, I wouldn't be surprised if they just gutted him pending a rework.

If you look at all the things riot dislikes (point and click stuns, dominating top laners, strong lategames without proper early weaknesses,) ryze has basically all of them.
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
October 10 2014 23:22 GMT
#490
wat the FUCK how bad are those ryze nerfs mathcrafters
thug life.                                                       MVP/ex-
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
October 10 2014 23:23 GMT
#491
getting rid of mana scaling is completely chomping at the core character design of Ryze... I rather they hit the AP ratios instead.
liftlift > tsm
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
October 10 2014 23:26 GMT
#492
On October 11 2014 07:59 killerdog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2014 07:31 Ryuu314 wrote:
On October 11 2014 05:56 Fusilero wrote:
So ryze is back in Riot's sights again. Currently on PBE they've taken away mana scalings on E and W. Gonna be interesting to see where this goes.

I highly doubt those will go through without compensatory buffs.

I dunno, I wouldn't be surprised if they just gutted him pending a rework.

If you look at all the things riot dislikes (point and click stuns, dominating top laners, strong lategames without proper early weaknesses,) ryze has basically all of them.


Actually they really just hate bad earlygames on any champion.
Freeeeeeedom
red_
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8474 Posts
October 10 2014 23:29 GMT
#493
On October 11 2014 08:26 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2014 07:59 killerdog wrote:
On October 11 2014 07:31 Ryuu314 wrote:
On October 11 2014 05:56 Fusilero wrote:
So ryze is back in Riot's sights again. Currently on PBE they've taken away mana scalings on E and W. Gonna be interesting to see where this goes.

I highly doubt those will go through without compensatory buffs.

I dunno, I wouldn't be surprised if they just gutted him pending a rework.

If you look at all the things riot dislikes (point and click stuns, dominating top laners, strong lategames without proper early weaknesses,) ryze has basically all of them.


Actually they really just hate bad earlygames on any champion.


... and team compositions on the whole. Bad early game? Don't worry, we've got comeback mechanics for that.
How did the experience of working at Mr Burns' Nuclear Plant influence Homer's composition of the Iliad and Odyssey?
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
October 10 2014 23:40 GMT
#494
On October 11 2014 08:26 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2014 07:59 killerdog wrote:
On October 11 2014 07:31 Ryuu314 wrote:
On October 11 2014 05:56 Fusilero wrote:
So ryze is back in Riot's sights again. Currently on PBE they've taken away mana scalings on E and W. Gonna be interesting to see where this goes.

I highly doubt those will go through without compensatory buffs.

I dunno, I wouldn't be surprised if they just gutted him pending a rework.

If you look at all the things riot dislikes (point and click stuns, dominating top laners, strong lategames without proper early weaknesses,) ryze has basically all of them.


Actually they really just hate bad earlygames on any champion.

I think they hate strong early game, not so much bad early game.
liftlift > tsm
Goumindong
Profile Joined February 2013
United States3529 Posts
October 10 2014 23:43 GMT
#495
On October 11 2014 08:23 wei2coolman wrote:
getting rid of mana scaling is completely chomping at the core character design of Ryze... I rather they hit the AP ratios instead.


Ryze got mana scaling on his W and E when they nerfed it on his Q. This was admittedly a long time ago but its not really his core identity. Were there any compensation buffs on his Q?

Without a compensation that is a pretty huge nerf since when they originally did that they cut his ratios big time to do it.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
October 10 2014 23:54 GMT
#496
I would rather like to see Ryze's W slow instead of roots instead of pure damage nerfs.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
October 10 2014 23:54 GMT
#497
On October 11 2014 08:40 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2014 08:26 cLutZ wrote:
On October 11 2014 07:59 killerdog wrote:
On October 11 2014 07:31 Ryuu314 wrote:
On October 11 2014 05:56 Fusilero wrote:
So ryze is back in Riot's sights again. Currently on PBE they've taken away mana scalings on E and W. Gonna be interesting to see where this goes.

I highly doubt those will go through without compensatory buffs.

I dunno, I wouldn't be surprised if they just gutted him pending a rework.

If you look at all the things riot dislikes (point and click stuns, dominating top laners, strong lategames without proper early weaknesses,) ryze has basically all of them.


Actually they really just hate bad earlygames on any champion.

I think they hate strong early game, not so much bad early game.


The only champions with really bad earlygames are generally underpowered, or champions they intentionally keep weak. There are plenty of really good earlygame champions like Lee, Karma, Cait, Lucian, Elise, Brumble. And have been others in the past that were nerfed across the board because they were great early and never really fell off, like Draven and Leblanc.
Freeeeeeedom
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-11 00:21:17
October 11 2014 00:16 GMT
#498
On October 11 2014 08:54 Sufficiency wrote:
I would rather like to see Ryze's W slow instead of roots instead of pure damage nerfs.


I'm not going to go overboard into theroy crafting so I can get blown up by ketara later, but as an example

Q>E>Q>W is actually a decent amount more damage in the game currently, but in almost all cases people will Q>W instead of getting greedy because Ryze will just get kited so hard otherwise, I think about this and him not having a root really scares me

not even going into my opinion on point and click snares/stuns that I've mentioned on this forum many times, and why I think they are actually healthier (than having them all removed which seems to be happening) for the game
Carrilord has arrived.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-11 00:29:29
October 11 2014 00:26 GMT
#499
Considering Ryze's damage potential and his build/scaling/tankiness, I feel that he doesn't really need a snare. Especially not a point-and-click one that is nearly instant (as far as I know, his W does have a cast time - however the missile is instant). Time and time again I see Ryze Flashing into the enemy team, W -> E -> Q and finish up the squishy with his team's help, then walk out of it because his build allows him to be tanky.

I actually think there is little counterplay with Ryze Flash W. It's kind of like Skarner Flash R - but the snare is not as good as the suppression (at least theoretically); in exchange Ryze has better damage and longer reach.

Now, this game still has a lot of point-and-click hard CCs. For example Taric can Flash E. The differencem however, is that Ryze;s W is pretty much instant, leaving you with very little room to react.

I am sure Ryze without W snare (and slows instead) will still be pretty strong. He will have problems chasing squishy targets, yes, but in teams which he gets jumped on there will be little differences.

Riot's approach isn't too bad, but I think removing mana scaling from two of his spells really cut down Ryze's identify and homogenizes champion identities.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
October 11 2014 00:32 GMT
#500
The QoL change to GP's ulti is so good. I have no idea why it took Riot 3 years to realize that an ultimate that can potentially do zero damage is not fun. It's like, "hey, I can actually pick up kills on enemy champs with 50 hp while they try to blue pill under their turret instead of them walking out of the circle unscathed."

It's such a good buff that I think it's better than Ziggs' MIB. It's one of the last remaining true globals and in tandem with Teleport, it's like a split pusher's wet dream.
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
Prev 1 23 24 25 26 27 157 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
BSL
19:00
RO16 TieBreaker - Group A
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
NeuroSwarm 270
RuFF_SC2 173
StarCraft: Brood War
Stork 251
ggaemo 64
League of Legends
Doublelift3994
JimRising 631
Counter-Strike
Fnx 989
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King26
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor241
Other Games
summit1g10571
tarik_tv7208
ViBE162
kaitlyn35
amsayoshi20
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1228
BasetradeTV192
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Hupsaiya 82
• davetesta36
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• RayReign 65
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Lourlo913
Other Games
• Scarra2700
Upcoming Events
Sparkling Tuna Cup
7h 50m
WardiTV Map Contest Tou…
8h 50m
MaxPax vs SHIN
Clem vs Classic
Ladder Legends
12h 50m
Solar vs GgMaChine
Bunny vs Cham
ByuN vs MaxPax
BSL
16h 50m
CranKy Ducklings
21h 50m
Replay Cast
1d 6h
Wardi Open
1d 7h
Afreeca Starleague
1d 7h
Soma vs hero
Monday Night Weeklies
1d 13h
Replay Cast
1d 21h
[ Show More ]
Replay Cast
2 days
Afreeca Starleague
2 days
Leta vs YSC
Replay Cast
3 days
The PondCast
4 days
KCM Race Survival
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Escore
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
IPSL
6 days
Ret vs Art_Of_Turtle
Radley vs TBD
BSL
6 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Escore Tournament S2: W4
RSL Revival: Season 4
NationLESS Cup

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
ASL Season 21
CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
StarCraft2 Community Team League 2026 Spring
WardiTV TLMC #16
Nations Cup 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S2: W5
Acropolis #4
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Maestros of the Game 2
2026 GSL S2
RSL Revival: Season 5
2026 GSL S1
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.