EPTbut since you have to farm with him just to have normal champion hp levels you're stuck in some kind of nautilus style peeling jungler role (with terrible ganks but better farming/scaling) and i'm not sure that role is currently a viable thing.
[Patch 4.18] Sion Reborn General Discussion - Page 25
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chalice
United States1945 Posts
but since you have to farm with him just to have normal champion hp levels you're stuck in some kind of nautilus style peeling jungler role (with terrible ganks but better farming/scaling) and i'm not sure that role is currently a viable thing. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
On October 11 2014 07:04 Slusher wrote: Nightblu has been going on about how good sion was going to be when it hit so I watched him this morning, he makes it look pretty decent, I'd still take an old ap sion main on my team in solo q over this if I really needed a win though. Yeah he actually looked much worse on pbe than in ranked for nightblue.Was pleasantly surprised.There may be hope for soloq at least yet. | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
On October 11 2014 06:21 chalice wrote: sion's kit definitely seems like it would work better in a support/peeling role. his Q is way better at zoning someone away from an area than it is catching someone out and 15% max hp on W away from the front lines where the shield can't be easily popped is significant damage on tanky diving champions. but since you have to farm with him just to have normal champion hp levels you're stuck in some kind of nautilus style peeling jungler role (with terrible ganks but better farming/scaling) and i'm not sure that role is currently a viable thing. All fighters / top laners work best in a support / peeling role. Lol. Even like Rumble. It's not the damage that he gives that makes him good, it's the zone control that lets your AD go ham. | ||
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AlterKot
Poland7525 Posts
I don't really like his articles though. No particular reason, at least I can't think of one from the top of my head. | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On October 11 2014 05:56 Fusilero wrote: So ryze is back in Riot's sights again. Currently on PBE they've taken away mana scalings on E and W. Gonna be interesting to see where this goes. I highly doubt those will go through without compensatory buffs. | ||
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Kenpark
Germany2350 Posts
I guess it's just Riot's philosophy to just even out all champ's power curves. Though I will def miss the godmode lategame that was Akali. | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
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killerdog
Denmark6522 Posts
On October 11 2014 07:31 Ryuu314 wrote: I highly doubt those will go through without compensatory buffs. I dunno, I wouldn't be surprised if they just gutted him pending a rework. If you look at all the things riot dislikes (point and click stuns, dominating top laners, strong lategames without proper early weaknesses,) ryze has basically all of them. | ||
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FinestHour
United States18466 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On October 11 2014 07:59 killerdog wrote: I dunno, I wouldn't be surprised if they just gutted him pending a rework. If you look at all the things riot dislikes (point and click stuns, dominating top laners, strong lategames without proper early weaknesses,) ryze has basically all of them. Actually they really just hate bad earlygames on any champion. | ||
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red_
United States8474 Posts
On October 11 2014 08:26 cLutZ wrote: Actually they really just hate bad earlygames on any champion. ... and team compositions on the whole. Bad early game? Don't worry, we've got comeback mechanics for that. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On October 11 2014 08:26 cLutZ wrote: Actually they really just hate bad earlygames on any champion. I think they hate strong early game, not so much bad early game. | ||
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Goumindong
United States3529 Posts
On October 11 2014 08:23 wei2coolman wrote: getting rid of mana scaling is completely chomping at the core character design of Ryze... I rather they hit the AP ratios instead. Ryze got mana scaling on his W and E when they nerfed it on his Q. This was admittedly a long time ago but its not really his core identity. Were there any compensation buffs on his Q? Without a compensation that is a pretty huge nerf since when they originally did that they cut his ratios big time to do it. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On October 11 2014 08:40 wei2coolman wrote: I think they hate strong early game, not so much bad early game. The only champions with really bad earlygames are generally underpowered, or champions they intentionally keep weak. There are plenty of really good earlygame champions like Lee, Karma, Cait, Lucian, Elise, Brumble. And have been others in the past that were nerfed across the board because they were great early and never really fell off, like Draven and Leblanc. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
On October 11 2014 08:54 Sufficiency wrote: I would rather like to see Ryze's W slow instead of roots instead of pure damage nerfs. I'm not going to go overboard into theroy crafting so I can get blown up by ketara later, but as an example Q>E>Q>W is actually a decent amount more damage in the game currently, but in almost all cases people will Q>W instead of getting greedy because Ryze will just get kited so hard otherwise, I think about this and him not having a root really scares me not even going into my opinion on point and click snares/stuns that I've mentioned on this forum many times, and why I think they are actually healthier (than having them all removed which seems to be happening) for the game | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
I actually think there is little counterplay with Ryze Flash W. It's kind of like Skarner Flash R - but the snare is not as good as the suppression (at least theoretically); in exchange Ryze has better damage and longer reach. Now, this game still has a lot of point-and-click hard CCs. For example Taric can Flash E. The differencem however, is that Ryze;s W is pretty much instant, leaving you with very little room to react. I am sure Ryze without W snare (and slows instead) will still be pretty strong. He will have problems chasing squishy targets, yes, but in teams which he gets jumped on there will be little differences. Riot's approach isn't too bad, but I think removing mana scaling from two of his spells really cut down Ryze's identify and homogenizes champion identities. | ||
NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
It's such a good buff that I think it's better than Ziggs' MIB. It's one of the last remaining true globals and in tandem with Teleport, it's like a split pusher's wet dream. | ||
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