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taric's stun missle speed is too slow to accomplish what hard lock down would
The problem I see with skillshot lockdown as well as slows snares being used in favor of actual stuns is in a game where mobility is already clearly OP in the sense that Mobility trumps almost anything when it comes to deducing champion strength in cases where instant lockdown would kill a non-mobile champion, they would be dead from a slow, in a situation where a champion with a jump would be dead from a hard lockdown they would possibly be safe.
going back to Taric as an example, Tristana Corki and Ezreal will all be stunned, AFTER their mobility has taken effect or in the case of even Fizz you can disjoint the stun, unlike the (very few) instant stuns in the game like LIss ult or Annie W/R + passive
also I don't think I like the idea of nerfing champions based off the potential of flash, I mean I know it's been done before, but if you can score a kill off of a cooldown like flash and someone getting too close when they are low enough for a single W>Q rotation, or away from their team enough for you to do a full Ryze rotation well, I guess I'm ok with that (not to mention that a response flash works in most cases in this game)
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Flash is ubiquitous in League of Legends. Almost every single champion in the game takes Flash because Flash is powerful - and as such, is a key component to a champion's power.
Without Flash, Annie will be close to useless, Ashe will be unplayable, and J4 will be one of the most overpowered champion in the game.
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A compromise proposal with Ryze is as follows:
W snares the target if the target was hit by Ryze's Q, E, or autoattack in the last 2 seconds. Otherwise it only slows by X% instead. This will kill his Flash W strategy and cut down his initiation power by quite a bit.
Riot has actually done this kind of nerfs before with Skarner.
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yes and as such I view it as an extremely important resource, it has a longer cooldown than most (all?) ults one that if spent gives you 1 kill is not op, and in most cases that it works, the other person either had already spent their resource, was too greedy to spend it or had poor map control, all things I'm ok with being rewarded/punished depending on the perspective
in your Ryze example, either the target is WAY to low to be that close, separated from their team enough that Ryze doing a full rotation can't be punished (again, their fault) or neither, in which case Ryze will be killed for his trouble because he just blew HIS mobility resource to score the kill
I know they've done it before I mentioned it in my post, before I explained why I think it is a poor design choice. It is because Flash is ubiquitous that I treat it as an even resource available to all players, which because of it's cooldown is/and should be treated as super strong and valuable to have up or down
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Yes, it does have a long cooldown, but time and time again we see that in competitive games that one single Flash is all it takes to win the game.
I mean, forget about Ryze, just look back to Skarner. Riot changed Skarner's ult so Skarner cannot Flash R anyone he wants. The nature of that change is no different from what I am proposing here - balancing around a Flash combo.
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your premise is that I should think that changing Skarner was a good idea, here is my problem, with your change, Ryze spends flash, Trist spends W, engagement over.
OR Ryze spends Flash, Kog/Twitch/Ashe etc are dead if flash is on cd
it is a buff to mobility spells, which are already among the strongest abilities in the game
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On October 11 2014 09:54 Slusher wrote:
your premise is that I should think that changing Skarner was a good idea, here is my problem, with your change, Ryze spends flash, Trist spends W, engagement over.
OR Ryze spends Flash, Kog/Twitch/Ashe etc are dead if flash is on cd
it is a buff to mobility spells, which are already among the strongest abilities in the game
It's not a buff to mobility spells. That's a crazy theory. How can changing ONE ability for ONE champion cause a meta change?
Like I said, I believe Ryze is ridiculous right now because he has good damage/scaling, good survivability, decent range (i.e. non-melee), **AND** he has a very good Flash engage. He does not need all these things.
Riot is saying they want to take away his damage/scaling. IMO that just kills him both in terms of viability and his "identity". Maybe Riot is just trying to shuffle the champion pool, but I feel it's not the way to go.
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It's already painfully clear that mobility is king in this game, and Riot is adding even more movement based buffs. We need better lockdown. People need to be able to be stopped from using their mobility skills. Removing that fricking buffering is a good start. This really needs to change big time.
If I land a Brand stun on Trist (probably one of the hardest in the game to land), I should be rewarded, and she shouldn't be able to jump away.
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To be fair though, doesn't Poland like, kinda suck? I don't mean the people, I have nothing against Polish people, but man it must suck to be Polish.
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On October 11 2014 09:54 Slusher wrote:
your premise is that I should think that changing Skarner was a good idea, here is my problem, with your change, Ryze spends flash, Trist spends W, engagement over.
OR Ryze spends Flash, Kog/Twitch/Ashe etc are dead if flash is on cd
it is a buff to mobility spells, which are already among the strongest abilities in the game
Kog / twitch / ashe already die if they get caught.. your change changes nothing in that scenario.
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On October 11 2014 10:03 iCanada wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2014 09:54 Slusher wrote:
your premise is that I should think that changing Skarner was a good idea, here is my problem, with your change, Ryze spends flash, Trist spends W, engagement over.
OR Ryze spends Flash, Kog/Twitch/Ashe etc are dead if flash is on cd
it is a buff to mobility spells, which are already among the strongest abilities in the game Kog / twitch / ashe already die if they get caught.. your change changes nothing in that scenario.
If trist is rooted instead of snared she is also dead, thus changing it to a slow is a buff to trist jump (as well as LeBlanc/Fizz/Corki/Ezreal/Gragas/Jax/Katarina etc....)
tl;dr That's the point man
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On October 11 2014 10:03 Scip wrote:
To be fair though, doesn't Poland like, kinda suck? I don't mean the people, I have nothing against Polish people, but man it must suck to be Polish.
If by "being polish" you mean having Poland syndrome (named after the last name of the guy who categorized it not the nation), yes. If you mean living in Poland? Not really.
Poland has some pretty neat shit in it. At one point it was, more or less, the center of the scientific and cultural world (Copernicus was a Pole for instance) and a large and powerful empire in its own right. Things did not go as well and Poland was a lesser but still significant power until the 1600's or so.
Between various external and internal pressures they never really had really fully recovered before world war I, II, and their essential capture by the USSR essentially ended their potential to be relevant as a "modern nation".
Their nominal GDP per capita (don't use PPP, its deceptive) is reasonably high by itself, and 5th of the post-soviet states (behind Estonia, Lithuania, Latvia, and Russia in that order, and the Baltic states all have significant oil reserves while Poland is a net importer) and while their small population will prevent them from being a powerhouse it won't prevent it from being a pretty decent place to live, all things considered. In terms of "post soviet states" you probably couldn't ask for a better one to live in. In terms of having a rich and interesting cultural history and all that affords they're looking pretty good.
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On October 11 2014 10:51 Goumindong wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2014 10:03 Scip wrote:
To be fair though, doesn't Poland like, kinda suck? I don't mean the people, I have nothing against Polish people, but man it must suck to be Polish. If by "being polish" you mean having Poland syndrome (named after the last name of the guy who categorized it not the nation), yes. If you mean living in Poland? Not really. Poland has some pretty neat shit in it. At one point it was, more or less, the center of the scientific and cultural world (Copernicus was a Pole for instance) and a large and powerful empire in its own right. Things did not go as well and Poland was a lesser but still significant power until the 1600's or so. Between various external and internal pressures they never really had really fully recovered before world war I, II, and their essential capture by the USSR essentially ended their potential to be relevant as a "modern nation". Their nominal GDP per capita (don't use PPP, its deceptive) is reasonably high by itself, and 5th of the post-soviet states (behind Estonia, Lithuania, Latvia, and Russia in that order, and the Baltic states all have significant oil reserves while Poland is a net importer) and while their small population will prevent them from being a powerhouse it won't prevent it from being a pretty decent place to live, all things considered. In terms of "post soviet states" you probably couldn't ask for a better one to live in. In terms of having a rich and interesting cultural history and all that affords they're looking pretty good.
You just got trolled so hard.
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On October 11 2014 10:51 Goumindong wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2014 10:03 Scip wrote:
To be fair though, doesn't Poland like, kinda suck? I don't mean the people, I have nothing against Polish people, but man it must suck to be Polish. If by "being polish" you mean having Poland syndrome (named after the last name of the guy who categorized it not the nation), yes. If you mean living in Poland? Not really. Poland has some pretty neat shit in it. At one point it was, more or less, the center of the scientific and cultural world (Copernicus was a Pole for instance) and a large and powerful empire in its own right. Things did not go as well and Poland was a lesser but still significant power until the 1600's or so. Between various external and internal pressures they never really had really fully recovered before world war I, II, and their essential capture by the USSR essentially ended their potential to be relevant as a "modern nation". Their nominal GDP per capita (don't use PPP, its deceptive) is reasonably high by itself, and 5th of the post-soviet states (behind Estonia, Lithuania, Latvia, and Russia in that order, and the Baltic states all have significant oil reserves while Poland is a net importer) and while their small population will prevent them from being a powerhouse it won't prevent it from being a pretty decent place to live, all things considered. In terms of "post soviet states" you probably couldn't ask for a better one to live in. In terms of having a rich and interesting cultural history and all that affords they're looking pretty good.
Being a centre of culture and science in 1500's does fuckall for you now
Also your comparison is pretty unfair because Estonia, Lithuania, Latvia and Russia were part of SSSR while Poland was a satellite state. As far as former satellite states go, off the top of my head Germany, Czech Republic, Slovakia and Hungary are better off than Poland is.
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On October 11 2014 11:15 Scip wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2014 10:51 Goumindong wrote:On October 11 2014 10:03 Scip wrote:
To be fair though, doesn't Poland like, kinda suck? I don't mean the people, I have nothing against Polish people, but man it must suck to be Polish. If by "being polish" you mean having Poland syndrome (named after the last name of the guy who categorized it not the nation), yes. If you mean living in Poland? Not really. Poland has some pretty neat shit in it. At one point it was, more or less, the center of the scientific and cultural world (Copernicus was a Pole for instance) and a large and powerful empire in its own right. Things did not go as well and Poland was a lesser but still significant power until the 1600's or so. Between various external and internal pressures they never really had really fully recovered before world war I, II, and their essential capture by the USSR essentially ended their potential to be relevant as a "modern nation". Their nominal GDP per capita (don't use PPP, its deceptive) is reasonably high by itself, and 5th of the post-soviet states (behind Estonia, Lithuania, Latvia, and Russia in that order, and the Baltic states all have significant oil reserves while Poland is a net importer) and while their small population will prevent them from being a powerhouse it won't prevent it from being a pretty decent place to live, all things considered. In terms of "post soviet states" you probably couldn't ask for a better one to live in. In terms of having a rich and interesting cultural history and all that affords they're looking pretty good. Being a centre of culture and science in 1500's does fuckall for you now Also your comparison is pretty unfair because Estonia, Lithuania, Latvia and Russia were part of SSSR while Poland was a satellite state. As far as former satellite states go, off the top of my head Germany, Czech Republic, Slovakia and Hungary are better off than Poland is.
How stable are their servers?
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On October 11 2014 00:50 Klonere wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2014 00:46 Ketara wrote:On October 11 2014 00:36 TheYango wrote:On October 10 2014 23:55 Ketara wrote:
That really is the main difference between LoL and DotA. LoL is easy to understand, DotA is not. That's barely true anymore. I'd say if all of these changes go through its definitely not true. You're nuts. In DotA the 10 players names are still all different colors. That's just one of dozens of visual examples of why DotA is a harder to understand game than League. w-wat this is a really bad joke right
As a super casual Dota watcher(Pretty much just TI and not even all of it) it was very jarring for me.
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On October 11 2014 11:15 Scip wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2014 10:51 Goumindong wrote:On October 11 2014 10:03 Scip wrote:
To be fair though, doesn't Poland like, kinda suck? I don't mean the people, I have nothing against Polish people, but man it must suck to be Polish. If by "being polish" you mean having Poland syndrome (named after the last name of the guy who categorized it not the nation), yes. If you mean living in Poland? Not really. Poland has some pretty neat shit in it. At one point it was, more or less, the center of the scientific and cultural world (Copernicus was a Pole for instance) and a large and powerful empire in its own right. Things did not go as well and Poland was a lesser but still significant power until the 1600's or so. Between various external and internal pressures they never really had really fully recovered before world war I, II, and their essential capture by the USSR essentially ended their potential to be relevant as a "modern nation". Their nominal GDP per capita (don't use PPP, its deceptive) is reasonably high by itself, and 5th of the post-soviet states (behind Estonia, Lithuania, Latvia, and Russia in that order, and the Baltic states all have significant oil reserves while Poland is a net importer) and while their small population will prevent them from being a powerhouse it won't prevent it from being a pretty decent place to live, all things considered. In terms of "post soviet states" you probably couldn't ask for a better one to live in. In terms of having a rich and interesting cultural history and all that affords they're looking pretty good. Being a centre of culture and science in 1500's does fuckall for you now Also your comparison is pretty unfair because Estonia, Lithuania, Latvia and Russia were part of SSSR while Poland was a satellite state. As far as former satellite states go, off the top of my head Germany, Czech Republic, Slovakia and Hungary are better off than Poland is.
Well being a center of culture and science in the 1500's does. Because it provides a large amount of what you might call "recreational capital" in the form of museums and parks, national buildings, et al. Those "things to do" aspects of living in a place.
This might just be me (its not just me) but Germany was not a Soviet Satellite state. If you're talking about East Germany well that isn't much of a comparison unless you want to discount them the wests involvement. Also the fact that East Germany's GDP per capita was about $9500 while Polands was 1600 (The East Germans have about doubled while the Polish have increased 8 fold since then).
The Czechs and Solvacks are doing slightly better per capita, but not much. Hungary is lagging behind.
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On October 11 2014 11:39 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2014 00:50 Klonere wrote:On October 11 2014 00:46 Ketara wrote:On October 11 2014 00:36 TheYango wrote:On October 10 2014 23:55 Ketara wrote:
That really is the main difference between LoL and DotA. LoL is easy to understand, DotA is not. That's barely true anymore. I'd say if all of these changes go through its definitely not true. You're nuts. In DotA the 10 players names are still all different colors. That's just one of dozens of visual examples of why DotA is a harder to understand game than League. w-wat this is a really bad joke right As a super casual Dota watcher(Pretty much just TI and not even all of it) it was very jarring for me.
Its also really bad design. Not only does it obfuscate which champions are on which team, but it makes it more difficult to have high contrast colors which are a key aspect of easy game readability (something that is key in a fast paced game like Dota/League)
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On October 11 2014 11:47 Goumindong wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2014 11:15 Scip wrote:On October 11 2014 10:51 Goumindong wrote:On October 11 2014 10:03 Scip wrote:
To be fair though, doesn't Poland like, kinda suck? I don't mean the people, I have nothing against Polish people, but man it must suck to be Polish. If by "being polish" you mean having Poland syndrome (named after the last name of the guy who categorized it not the nation), yes. If you mean living in Poland? Not really. Poland has some pretty neat shit in it. At one point it was, more or less, the center of the scientific and cultural world (Copernicus was a Pole for instance) and a large and powerful empire in its own right. Things did not go as well and Poland was a lesser but still significant power until the 1600's or so. Between various external and internal pressures they never really had really fully recovered before world war I, II, and their essential capture by the USSR essentially ended their potential to be relevant as a "modern nation". Their nominal GDP per capita (don't use PPP, its deceptive) is reasonably high by itself, and 5th of the post-soviet states (behind Estonia, Lithuania, Latvia, and Russia in that order, and the Baltic states all have significant oil reserves while Poland is a net importer) and while their small population will prevent them from being a powerhouse it won't prevent it from being a pretty decent place to live, all things considered. In terms of "post soviet states" you probably couldn't ask for a better one to live in. In terms of having a rich and interesting cultural history and all that affords they're looking pretty good. Being a centre of culture and science in 1500's does fuckall for you now Also your comparison is pretty unfair because Estonia, Lithuania, Latvia and Russia were part of SSSR while Poland was a satellite state. As far as former satellite states go, off the top of my head Germany, Czech Republic, Slovakia and Hungary are better off than Poland is. Well being a center of culture and science in the 1500's does. Because it provides a large amount of what you might call "recreational capital" in the form of museums and parks, national buildings, et al. Those "things to do" aspects of living in a place. This might just be me (its not just me) but Germany was not a Soviet Satellite state. If you're talking about East Germany well that isn't much of a comparison unless you want to discount them the wests involvement. Also the fact that East Germany's GDP per capita was about $9500 while Polands was 1600 (The East Germans have about doubled while the Polish have increased 8 fold since then). The Czechs and Solvacks are doing slightly better per capita, but not much. Hungary is lagging behind.
According to wiki Hungary is a tiny bit ahead although Hungary uses the 2014 estimate while Poland uses the 2013 so I guess we could call it more or less even
Also how can you not count East Germany as a former satellite state? It totally was. There's a comparison because Poland was a satellite state too. The difference between Czech Republic/Slovakia and Poland in GDP is like 35%, sure it's not that much in terms of absolute values because both are relatively small compared to western countries but in terms of % it's pretty big.
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On October 11 2014 11:50 Goumindong wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2014 11:39 Gahlo wrote:On October 11 2014 00:50 Klonere wrote:On October 11 2014 00:46 Ketara wrote:On October 11 2014 00:36 TheYango wrote:On October 10 2014 23:55 Ketara wrote:
That really is the main difference between LoL and DotA. LoL is easy to understand, DotA is not. That's barely true anymore. I'd say if all of these changes go through its definitely not true. You're nuts. In DotA the 10 players names are still all different colors. That's just one of dozens of visual examples of why DotA is a harder to understand game than League. w-wat this is a really bad joke right As a super casual Dota watcher(Pretty much just TI and not even all of it) it was very jarring for me. Its also really bad design. Not only does it obfuscate which champions are on which team, but it makes it more difficult to have high contrast colors which are a key aspect of easy game readability (something that is key in a fast paced game like Dota/League)
It's designed that way because knowing which hero is represented by that TP signal is mega important. I suppose it's possible now with hero icons for everyone in dota2 they could use those, but they didn't even exist a decent amount into dota2's life. I also think this is an amazingly overblown thing anyway. 90% of the time it's incredibly obvious which team someone is on because of where on the minimap they are(plus, they're Xs vs Os)... obviously Dire is on the right-ish side of the map, and Radiant on the left, and when this isn't the case the camera is probably firmly on the person who is the exception because plays are being made.
Also they could still use high contrast colors for the heroes vs the environment/neutrals regardless of the 'team color' choice, they decided not to because they wanted a certain visual style, and once you know the game and the skills it's just as 'easy'(read: still pretty hard actually, in both games) to follow full on teamfights or large skirmishes.
It's not like you can't have red colored heroes on blue side in LoL, there's not team uniforms or anything.
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