On October 08 2014 07:37 Sufficiency wrote:
I kind of want to see a Tear + health item for S5. It would mirror Muramana and Archangel's, but the secondary stat is health, not AD or AP.

What niche does a charging HP+Mana item fill that isn't already filled by RoA?

iCanada

Canada10660 Posts

October 07 2014 23:22 GMT

#1382

On October 08 2014 08:10 TheYango wrote:

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What niche does a charging HP+Mana item fill that isn't already filled by RoA?

Any tank that isn't AP?

I bet a ton of top laners would like it.

But it would probably either be useless or make Singed Ridiculously OP.

Alaric

France45622 Posts

October 07 2014 23:27 GMT

#1383

Well if you take it this way there are a lot of utility items that could benefit from that treatment too. For example an AP/tanky equivalent to Scimitar, removing the AP inclination of Ohmwrecker/Twin Shadows, etc.

Jek

Denmark2771 Posts

October 07 2014 23:27 GMT

#1384

On October 08 2014 08:00 cLutZ wrote:
S2 jungle was basically like that. And the problem of the S2 jungle wasn't lack of champion diversity, it was that Oracles was so strong (and drained jungler gold), jungle gold and exp were too low, and tanking lane minions made a successful (or sometimes even unsuccessful) top/bottom lane gank snowball really hard. Thus, the strategic diversity was low.

I actually miss the S2 times, being full build support once you had Shurelia,boots 2 and a plethora of wards. The small war vision was everybit as intense as a full blown teamfight and just ad important; having a Rito blessed maphack active for your team was the easiest way to carry.

Also the whole feel of having to work with so little, is much more fun for me, compared to games I can randomly pick up Deathcap on Janna.

I'd love to see Riot taking a new approach to the jungle, whereby basically all camps feats a miniboss which yields a short duration ala Nunu's consume (30s max) buff you can then either chose to make a play or farm more efficient. I think It'd open up for some new junlger routes and thus but more stress in the vision war and securing said mini-buffs.

Gahlo

United States35165 Posts

October 07 2014 23:33 GMT

#1385

On October 08 2014 07:53 Jek wrote:

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Do you really want Ryze to be any more tanky? Would probably be equally silly on Singed, but anything that helps Singed is fine with me.

Inc 1 tear item restriction.

Merlin the Tuna

United States57 Posts

October 07 2014 23:52 GMT

#1386

RE: The Morde talk from a few pages back. I remember seeing a guide way back when that suggested running spell vamp quints so you could skip Hextech entirely and go straight for AP items instead. Has anyone given that a shot lately? It's one of those things I'd love to give a go if runes weren't a complete kick in the dick to buy.

parkufarku

882 Posts

October 08 2014 00:03 GMT

#1387

ok, since there is pretty much almost no counters vs. Morde, what do I pick when enemy team picks Morde?

The mids I can play with: Fizz, Diana, Swain, Zed, Wukong, Yasuo, Lux, Kass

Goumindong

United States3529 Posts

October 08 2014 00:07 GMT

#1388

Viktor should be good. Lux is your next bet. You want someone ranged who can cs without standing in creeps.

Ketara

United States15065 Posts

October 08 2014 00:18 GMT

#1389

Lux destroys Morde so hard.

Probably one of the easiest lanes in the game for her.

iCanada

Canada10660 Posts

October 08 2014 00:26 GMT

#1390

Woah.

Rito talking about making a jungle item that allows smite to be used on Champions with a utility effect (Ie stun/slow/damage).

Neat. Will be a pain in the ass to figure out what jungle items will be good though.

nafta

Bulgaria18893 Posts

October 08 2014 00:35 GMT

#1391

Damn after watching nightblue stream the new sion looks incredibly dissapointing.Doubt the champ will get picked much if at all.

lilwisper

United States2515 Posts

October 08 2014 00:36 GMT

#1392

On October 08 2014 09:26 iCanada wrote:
Woah.

Rito talking about making a jungle item that allows smite to be used on Champions with a utility effect (Ie stun/slow/damage).

Neat. Will be a pain in the ass to figure out what jungle items will be good though.

Don't worry Riot will make sure that your meaningful choice will be clear cut by the end of preseason for S5.

Sufficiency

Canada23833 Posts

October 08 2014 00:39 GMT

#1393

On October 08 2014 09:03 parkufarku wrote:
ok, since there is pretty much almost no counters vs. Morde, what do I pick when enemy team picks Morde?

The mids I can play with: Fizz, Diana, Swain, Zed, Wukong, Yasuo, Lux, Kass

Lux counters Morde really hard, although Swain might be the "easier" counterpick.

FinestHour

United States18466 Posts

October 08 2014 00:48 GMT

#1394

ziggs

Zess

Adun Toridas!9144 Posts

October 08 2014 00:49 GMT

#1395

That sounds incredibly toxic, like Hunter's Machete levels of terrible game design

I still don't understand why if the goal is to change up income streams (mids to stop taking wraiths, supports to get gold), you can't just change the incentives behind the current income distribution rather than adding these random walls to what you can or cannot do to the game

Dark_Chill

Canada3353 Posts

October 08 2014 00:53 GMT

#1396

On October 08 2014 09:49 xes wrote:

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One of those options is easier than the other, and doesn't require changing the way the game works.

Alaric

France45622 Posts

October 08 2014 00:56 GMT

#1397

Do you mean how instead of creating interesting high utility low slot-efficiency items for supports they just straight-up created items with the sole purpose of giving the supports more gold?

Zess

Adun Toridas!9144 Posts

October 08 2014 01:07 GMT

#1398

On the Q&A they're talking about how Summoner Spells are an anti-snowball mechanic against gold disadvantage, but another great anti-snowball mechanic would be if BF Sword didn't give twice the AD of Pickaxe at less than double the cost so that if you were just a tad better in lane (denies, jungler help, etc) you come back even stronger than the gold disparity would indicate.

Having real itemization would fix literally every problem (gold accumulation, lack of comeback mechanics/snowballing, build diversity). And they could get there through the same experimental bullshit that has the game change 9 months out of the year to prepare for one single elim tournament of "international competition" by just thinking about what makes something like Shurelya's or Locket so good that Top/Junglers buy it instead of nerfing everything and then wondering why supports don't have fun items to buy and just buy wards.

Eiii

United States2566 Posts

October 08 2014 01:08 GMT

#1399

On October 08 2014 09:56 Alaric wrote:
Do you mean how instead of creating interesting high utility low slot-efficiency items for supports they just straight-up created items with the sole purpose of giving the supports more gold?

Nothing dents the faith I have in Riot's ability to keep the game interesting and competitive long-term more than their handling of the support rework. It blows my mind that they passed up that chance, it seemed like the game was in a perfect place to introduce that kind of itemization at the time.
I'd love to know what their thought process was as a whole that led to that decision, because I really, really don't get it.

cLutZ

United States19574 Posts

October 08 2014 01:19 GMT

#1400

Just as an aside, it does make little sense that you can only have 1 gold gen item. Particularly when they have different actives that all could be good in unison. Its like if you couldnt have DFG and Zhonyas at once.