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lilwisper
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2515 Posts
October 07 2014 20:32 GMT
#1361
On October 08 2014 05:28 Alaric wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2014 05:01 lilwisper wrote:
On October 08 2014 04:52 Alaric wrote:
Who's Toto? Herc? And who's the Mage Slayer (are you thinking of Antimage? Never remembered him jungling, but I started during the very last 5. versions and it quickly moved onto 6.).


Toto was the nickname for Titan of the Order. He was this big grey golem champ for Sent. His 6 was to pull everything to him and then you used another ability to aoe stun. Mage Slayer was the mana burner w/ Blink for the Scourge. He was purple w/ the two blades. Herc was this big orange orc with the healing totems and had a battle cry for his 6.

Oh. Rework/changed I guess. I thought Elder Titan was much more recent than that though, and Mage Slayer became Antimage and was sentinel, yeah.
Herc became Juggernaut it seems (got Omnislash for an ult now), with Sven getting the "battle cry" ult (if that's the thing that just doubles or triples his damage).


Yeah most likely the champs I named were reworked for AllStars.
-Zoda-
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
France3578 Posts
October 07 2014 20:35 GMT
#1362
I agree Thorin provides good content (although somewhat slow, especially when no translation is needed...), but this guy is such a douche and can't formulate a sentence without "fuck" in it, he has to stop at some point.
♪ 最初はi つなぐdo それ つまりlife 常に移動 ♪ - IGN: Uhryks
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
October 07 2014 20:49 GMT
#1363
Si was easily the best league content available. Name a single show that could consistently grab full viewership for multiple hours weekly.

liftlift > tsm
kongoline
Profile Joined February 2012
6318 Posts
October 07 2014 21:05 GMT
#1364
On October 08 2014 05:49 wei2coolman wrote:
Si was easily the best league content available. Name a single show that could consistently grab full viewership for multiple hours weekly.


they still got chinatalk
/LOL
Zess
Profile Joined July 2012
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
October 07 2014 21:15 GMT
#1365
On October 08 2014 05:28 Ketara wrote:
We should celebrate this Thorin thing by somebody posting links to all the controversial things he said so that I can read all of it.

tl;dr still ape
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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
October 07 2014 21:19 GMT
#1366
On October 08 2014 06:15 xes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2014 05:28 Ketara wrote:
We should celebrate this Thorin thing by somebody posting links to all the controversial things he said so that I can read all of it.

tl;dr still ape

New ogn chick likes apes apparently
liftlift > tsm
kongoline
Profile Joined February 2012
6318 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-07 22:07:05
October 07 2014 22:03 GMT
#1367
someone on reddit summarized riots preseason jungle changes pretty well
"Tl;dr rito is going to fuck up the jungle again and spend the entire season on a fucking roller coaster with jungle power again and by the end of the season we will be right back to square one with nothing fucking changed."
Osmoses
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Sweden5302 Posts
October 07 2014 22:07 GMT
#1368
Christ I remember last preseason. That was just chaos. The complete dissolution of law and order.
Excuse me hun, but what is your name? Vivian? I woke up next to you naked and, uh, did we, um?
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
October 07 2014 22:14 GMT
#1369
That's like the rule of preseason.

Step 1 - Riot completely changes the jungle.

Step 2 - Players quickly figure out what champions are totally OP in the new jungle.

Step 3 - For the first several months of the new season, Riot butchers one of the OP jungle champions every patch, and bans are always 4-6 junglers.

Step 4 - Eventually the junglers are all so nerfed that Riot buffs the jungle items to compensate, but the new OP junglers are already nerfed and this just buffs up the old guard junglers that nobody has been playing for months.

Step 5 - We end the season with only Jarvan, Lee, Elise and Khazix played in the jungle, which Riot sees as enough of a problem to totally change the jungle for the following season.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
LaNague
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany9118 Posts
October 07 2014 22:24 GMT
#1370
maybe just remove jungle items if you dont like jungle items and think jungle camps are too eas.



Its a stupid idea anyways, why do we need special jungle items, makes no sense.
Parnage
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States7414 Posts
October 07 2014 22:28 GMT
#1371
Long story short, to have the power to clear the jungle you ended up with champions who when placed in a solo lane did work. Things like Udyr, Warwick etc. Or something like that..
I'm curious to see what the clear times/champ pool would look like for jungle with no jungle items currently.
-orb- Fan. Live the Nal_rA dream. || Yordles are cool.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
October 07 2014 22:29 GMT
#1372
On October 08 2014 07:14 Ketara wrote:
That's like the rule of preseason.

Step 1 - Riot completely changes the jungle.

Step 2 - Players quickly figure out what champions are totally OP in the new jungle.

Step 3 - For the first several months of the new season, Riot butchers one of the OP jungle champions every patch, and bans are always 4-6 junglers.

Step 4 - Eventually the junglers are all so nerfed that Riot buffs the jungle items to compensate, but the new OP junglers are already nerfed and this just buffs up the old guard junglers that nobody has been playing for months.

Step 5 - We end the season with only Jarvan, Lee, Elise and Khazix played in the jungle, which Riot sees as enough of a problem to totally change the jungle for the following season.

Ugh, can I just collect my S5 silver awards as I lose all passion to try to attain gold before the end of next season now?
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
October 07 2014 22:37 GMT
#1373
I kind of want to see a Tear + health item for S5. It would mirror Muramana and Archangel's, but the secondary stat is health, not AD or AP.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Jek
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark2771 Posts
October 07 2014 22:53 GMT
#1374
On October 08 2014 07:37 Sufficiency wrote:
I kind of want to see a Tear + health item for S5. It would mirror Muramana and Archangel's, but the secondary stat is health, not AD or AP.

Do you really want Ryze to be any more tanky? Would probably be equally silly on Singed, but anything that helps Singed is fine with me.
It's Elo not ELO - Every statiscian playing League
Zess
Profile Joined July 2012
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
October 07 2014 22:56 GMT
#1375
On October 08 2014 07:53 Jek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2014 07:37 Sufficiency wrote:
I kind of want to see a Tear + health item for S5. It would mirror Muramana and Archangel's, but the secondary stat is health, not AD or AP.

Do you really want Ryze to be any more tanky? Would probably be equally silly on Singed, but anything that helps Singed is fine with me.

They could just revert the ult nerfs on singed and it still wouldn't help because laneswaps and jungle splits are now standard.
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Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
October 07 2014 22:57 GMT
#1376
The corollary to my above predictions are that as junglers get nerfed and become less OP, mid lane roamers/assassins become more and more OP, so when the jungle is only Kha/Elise/Lee/Jarvan who are all nerfed, bans change from all jungle bans to all mid lane bans and the mid laners are all Ahri/Zed/Yasuo.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
Jek
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark2771 Posts
October 07 2014 23:00 GMT
#1377
On October 08 2014 07:56 xes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2014 07:53 Jek wrote:
On October 08 2014 07:37 Sufficiency wrote:
I kind of want to see a Tear + health item for S5. It would mirror Muramana and Archangel's, but the secondary stat is health, not AD or AP.

Do you really want Ryze to be any more tanky? Would probably be equally silly on Singed, but anything that helps Singed is fine with me.

They could just revert the ult nerfs on singed and it still wouldn't help because laneswaps and jungle splits are now standard.

I don't play in the LCS tho, think I've played against lane swaps twice this entire year.
It's Elo not ELO - Every statiscian playing League
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
October 07 2014 23:00 GMT
#1378
On October 08 2014 07:28 Parnage wrote:
Long story short, to have the power to clear the jungle you ended up with champions who when placed in a solo lane did work. Things like Udyr, Warwick etc. Or something like that..
I'm curious to see what the clear times/champ pool would look like for jungle with no jungle items currently.


Like I said, the solution is to make jungle camps trivial. The tradeoff isn't (or shouldn't) be Master Yi vs. Lee Sin vs. Amumu taking more or less damage and taking more or less time per camp its supposed to be about whether you are making plays to buff your lanes, or buffing yourself via farming,

S2 jungle was basically like that. And the problem of the S2 jungle wasn't lack of champion diversity, it was that Oracles was so strong (and drained jungler gold), jungle gold and exp were too low, and tanking lane minions made a successful (or sometimes even unsuccessful) top/bottom lane gank snowball really hard. Thus, the strategic diversity was low.
Freeeeeeedom
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
October 07 2014 23:00 GMT
#1379
Aaaaand EUW at it. Lost a game because of a dc (when I see that awful Vlad who started 50 AP + ignite, tried to go aggro on me and was zoned from level 1 because Ryze is bullshit too, it makes me annoyed) on our team during a siege.
We had a login queue at the start of the evening too, although I don't know why. Is the server crapping itself? It's october, I'd be surprised if it had load issues considering it held somewhat fine during the summer. Somewhat.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
October 07 2014 23:09 GMT
#1380
On October 08 2014 07:53 Jek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2014 07:37 Sufficiency wrote:
I kind of want to see a Tear + health item for S5. It would mirror Muramana and Archangel's, but the secondary stat is health, not AD or AP.

Do you really want Ryze to be any more tanky? Would probably be equally silly on Singed, but anything that helps Singed is fine with me.


Yeah on a second thought, it probably won't address mana issues with tanky champions; it will only make Singed OP.

https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
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