• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 15:20
CEST 21:20
KST 04:20
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Serral wins EWC 202534Tournament Spotlight: FEL Cracow 202510Power Rank - Esports World Cup 202580RSL Season 1 - Final Week9[ASL19] Finals Recap: Standing Tall15
Community News
[BSL 2025] H2 - Team Wars, Weeklies & SB Ladder9EWC 2025 - Replay Pack4Google Play ASL (Season 20) Announced50BSL Team Wars - Bonyth, Dewalt, Hawk & Sziky teams10Weekly Cups (July 14-20): Final Check-up0
StarCraft 2
General
The GOAT ranking of GOAT rankings Serral wins EWC 2025 Tournament Spotlight: FEL Cracow 2025 Classic: "It's a thick wall to break through to become world champ" Firefly given lifetime ban by ESIC following match-fixing investigation
Tourneys
LiuLi Cup Weeklies and Monthlies Info Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) TaeJa vs Creator Bo7 SC Evo Showmatch Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament FEL Cracov 2025 (July 27) - $10,000 live event
Strategy
How did i lose this ZvP, whats the proper response
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 484 Magnetic Pull Mutation #239 Bad Weather Mutation # 483 Kill Bot Wars Mutation # 482 Wheel of Misfortune
Brood War
General
[BSL 2025] H2 - Team Wars, Weeklies & SB Ladder BW General Discussion Google Play ASL (Season 20) Announced Which top zerg/toss will fail in qualifiers? BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/
Tourneys
[ASL20] Online Qualifiers Day 2 [ASL20] Online Qualifiers Day 1 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Small VOD Thread 2.0
Strategy
[G] Mineral Boosting Muta micro map competition Does 1 second matter in StarCraft? Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Beyond All Reason Total Annihilation Server - TAForever [MMORPG] Tree of Savior (Successor of Ragnarok)
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread Stop Killing Games - European Citizens Initiative
Fan Clubs
INnoVation Fan Club SKT1 Classic Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [\m/] Heavy Metal Thread Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Korean Music Discussion
Sports
Formula 1 Discussion 2024 - 2025 Football Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Gtx660 graphics card replacement Installation of Windows 10 suck at "just a moment" Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
TeamLiquid Team Shirt On Sale The Automated Ban List
Blogs
ASL S20 English Commentary…
namkraft
The Link Between Fitness and…
TrAiDoS
momentary artworks from des…
tankgirl
from making sc maps to makin…
Husyelt
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Socialism Anyone?
GreenHorizons
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 703 users

[Patch 4.17] Soraka/Viktor General Discussion - Page 68

Forum Index > LoL General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 66 67 68 69 70 78 Next
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
October 07 2014 19:17 GMT
#1341
I don't get the constant desire to make the jungle harder and smite wars more important. Jungle camps might as well be capture points. Jungling is supposed to be about balancing map control, lane pressure, and farming, not about auto attacking monsters and pressing d at the right time.
Freeeeeeedom
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
October 07 2014 19:18 GMT
#1342
On October 08 2014 04:12 Numy wrote:
Huge objectives are just crap-shoots even with smite, smite doesn't make it any less random. People like to play up good smiting or smite steals when every single pro player says those situations are almost always up to luck. Smite is just there to make sure you can't not have a jungler if you have someone with smite. They already have the jungle items to force that situation so I see no need to have smite anymore.

There is definitely skill involved in pro level Smite steals >_>. Like yeah, it's partially luck, but there is a lot of game sense required to know when to go in and try and pull it off.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-07 19:25:34
October 07 2014 19:23 GMT
#1343
Here's my translation.

#1 - Riot wants counterjungling and Feral Flare farming to be better.

#2 - Riot thinks that they can't make that happen without overhauling how camps work. They'll go about this in two ways.
- 2a - Increasing jungle difficulty so there's a bigger difference between a super fast feral flare clear and a mediocre clear.
- 2b - Putting some sort of buff on every single big monster, making counterjungling a bigger deal.

#3 - Riot is dissatisfied with the jungling items (again) and wants to redo them (again).


My big worry reading it is that point 2 is going to negatively impact tank junglers, who aren't bad because of a lack of ganking ability (many gank well), but that they have an inability to clear well and 1v1 well, giving them less time to gank and making them susceptible to counterjungling by damage junglers.

However, the item overhaul may be able to help with that, fingers crossed.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
GrandInquisitor *
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
New York City13113 Posts
October 07 2014 19:23 GMT
#1344
Also come on, let's be real, smite wars are exciting. It's one of the most daring plays in League and to remove it would be horrible.
What fun is it being cool if you can’t wear a sombrero?
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
October 07 2014 19:24 GMT
#1345
Riot complains about lack of jungle options after nerfing FF to the ground.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
kongoline
Profile Joined February 2012
6318 Posts
October 07 2014 19:25 GMT
#1346
http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/2il1at/thorin_no_longer_working_at_ongamers/
im so mad the best content provider is getting fired -.-
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
October 07 2014 19:27 GMT
#1347
On October 08 2014 04:25 kongoline wrote:
http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/2il1at/thorin_no_longer_working_at_ongamers/
im so mad the best content provider is getting fired -.-

Sounds more like an end of a contract tbh. He said he got the offer in OCT 2013, it's Oct 2014, contract probably just ended, and chose not to renew.
liftlift > tsm
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
October 07 2014 19:28 GMT
#1348
Not surprising. His recent twi regarding wildturtle was over the line.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-07 19:36:15
October 07 2014 19:34 GMT
#1349
Heh. pretty happy about thorin. he's really not professional, regardless of the content he makes he needs to tone himself down if he wants to be able to be employed.

it was pretty funny that he shit talked Regi and all of TSM and knew they couldnt return fire without being fined by riot.
Capped
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom7236 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-07 19:35:07
October 07 2014 19:34 GMT
#1350
Personally cant wait till the cancerous prick finally "leaves" esports.
Useless wet fish.
GrandInquisitor *
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
New York City13113 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-07 19:35:56
October 07 2014 19:35 GMT
#1351
I wonder whether these jungle changes are affected by, or end up resolving, the long-standing discrepancy between competitive jungler picks and solo queue jungler picks. In solo queue, Rammus and Amumu have the two highest win rates in the game, and Lee Sin and Elise are both in the bottom ten.
What fun is it being cool if you can’t wear a sombrero?
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-07 19:40:22
October 07 2014 19:37 GMT
#1352
On October 08 2014 04:35 GrandInquisitor wrote:
I wonder whether these jungle changes are affected by, or end up resolving, the long-standing discrepancy between competitive jungler picks and solo queue jungler picks. In solo queue, Rammus and Amumu have the two highest win rates in the game, and Lee Sin and Elise are both in the bottom ten.
its a lot easier to mis-aim lee sin or elise's valuable spells than it is rammus and amumu.

EDIT: absolutely did the wrong word.
Capped
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom7236 Posts
October 07 2014 19:40 GMT
#1353
On October 08 2014 04:35 GrandInquisitor wrote:
I wonder whether these jungle changes are affected by, or end up resolving, the long-standing discrepancy between competitive jungler picks and solo queue jungler picks. In solo queue, Rammus and Amumu have the two highest win rates in the game, and Lee Sin and Elise are both in the bottom ten.


because jungling is something that drastically changes given the level of organisation/communication you have and rammus / amumu are two champs that need very little of either to do their thing.
Useless wet fish.
lilwisper
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2515 Posts
October 07 2014 19:47 GMT
#1354
Back in ROC DotA (3.6, 3.7, 3.9c, etc...) there were in effect 2 junglers. There was the jungler that took the mid camps. He was usually the one helping to gank and guard mid (Stealth Assassin, Mage Slayer, Niax, Toto). There was also the jungler that took the jungle area opposing long lane edges(Manny, Wolf, Lancer, Herc). The ones in the jungle area usually powerfarmed their way to 6 before coming out to seige. It seems a little unreasonable to try to get one position to do both at the same time like what Riot is trying to do. I never played DotA:All-Stars so I don't know if this was an issue in that game or not.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
October 07 2014 19:52 GMT
#1355
Who's Toto? Herc? And who's the Mage Slayer (are you thinking of Antimage? Never remembered him jungling, but I started during the very last 5. versions and it quickly moved onto 6.).
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
lilwisper
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2515 Posts
October 07 2014 20:01 GMT
#1356
On October 08 2014 04:52 Alaric wrote:
Who's Toto? Herc? And who's the Mage Slayer (are you thinking of Antimage? Never remembered him jungling, but I started during the very last 5. versions and it quickly moved onto 6.).


Toto was the nickname for Titan of the Order. He was this big grey golem champ for Sent. His 6 was to pull everything to him and then you used another ability to aoe stun. Mage Slayer was the mana burner w/ Blink for the Scourge. He was purple w/ the two blades. Herc was this big orange orc with the healing totems and had a battle cry for his 6.
Celial
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
2602 Posts
October 07 2014 20:04 GMT
#1357
Regarding Thorin: Nice. After his latest round of hate tweets a friend of mine got so worked up he corporate carpet bombed CBS asking them if that is a fair representation of senior staff at CBS-owned companies and if that is the desired public image of their employees. Complete with links to tweets and official statements of all the bullshit over the last year (the poland issue, the racism (monkey) issue, etc).

I laughted at him for spending the better part of a day figuring out executive email adresses, and told him they wouldnt give a flying fuck what some internet nerds get worked up over.

Of course now I'm never gonna hear the end of it how he got personally Thorin fired -.-
Do not regret. Always forward, never back.
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
October 07 2014 20:27 GMT
#1358
Pity, good league content is pretty nonexistent.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
October 07 2014 20:28 GMT
#1359
On October 08 2014 05:01 lilwisper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2014 04:52 Alaric wrote:
Who's Toto? Herc? And who's the Mage Slayer (are you thinking of Antimage? Never remembered him jungling, but I started during the very last 5. versions and it quickly moved onto 6.).


Toto was the nickname for Titan of the Order. He was this big grey golem champ for Sent. His 6 was to pull everything to him and then you used another ability to aoe stun. Mage Slayer was the mana burner w/ Blink for the Scourge. He was purple w/ the two blades. Herc was this big orange orc with the healing totems and had a battle cry for his 6.

Oh. Rework/changed I guess. I thought Elder Titan was much more recent than that though, and Mage Slayer became Antimage and was sentinel, yeah.
Herc became Juggernaut it seems (got Omnislash for an ult now), with Sven getting the "battle cry" ult (if that's the thing that just doubles or triples his damage).
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
October 07 2014 20:28 GMT
#1360
We should celebrate this Thorin thing by somebody posting links to all the controversial things he said so that I can read all of it.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
Prev 1 66 67 68 69 70 78 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
WardiTV European League
16:00
Playoffs Day 2
ByuN vs SKillousLIVE!
WardiTV1142
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
IndyStarCraft 177
SteadfastSC 105
JuggernautJason89
BRAT_OK 77
MindelVK 33
ProTech29
StarCraft: Brood War
Mini 566
ggaemo 315
firebathero 210
Zeus 64
Mong 62
HiyA 25
Rock 23
Dota 2
qojqva3714
420jenkins834
LuMiX1
League of Legends
Grubby2194
Reynor64
Counter-Strike
fl0m4778
ScreaM1936
sgares484
flusha167
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu544
Khaldor519
Other Games
Beastyqt824
Dendi473
Hui .127
QueenE65
ToD60
Trikslyr58
Sick20
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1825
BasetradeTV16
StarCraft 2
angryscii 10
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 18 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH137
• printf 56
• tFFMrPink 22
• iHatsuTV 5
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• sooper7s
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• HerbMon 13
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV339
Other Games
• imaqtpie1320
• Shiphtur224
Upcoming Events
Sparkling Tuna Cup
14h 40m
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
18h 40m
Bonyth vs TBD
WardiTV European League
20h 40m
Wardi Open
1d 15h
OSC
2 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
3 days
The PondCast
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
5 days
RSL Revival
6 days
[ Show More ]
RSL Revival
6 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

BSL 20 Non-Korean Championship
FEL Cracow 2025
Underdog Cup #2

Ongoing

Copa Latinoamericana 4
Jiahua Invitational
BSL 20 Team Wars
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 3
BSL 21 Qualifiers
ASL Season 20: Qualifier #1
HCC Europe
CC Div. A S7
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025

Upcoming

ASL Season 20: Qualifier #2
ASL Season 20
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
BSL Season 21
RSL Revival: Season 2
Maestros of the Game
SEL Season 2 Championship
WardiTV Summer 2025
uThermal 2v2 Main Event
Thunderpick World Champ.
MESA Nomadic Masters Fall
CAC 2025
Roobet Cup 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.