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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On October 07 2014 11:42 wei2coolman wrote: that's why no one buys revolver in lane. TIL no one plays Vlad/Akali/Mordekaiser It's also situationally useful for Kennen and Rumble depending on the match up and how long you want to drag on the laning phase. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
But you are Janna and your damage is really low and your range is really short. Each time you poke there is certain cost to it. Furthermore, you don't have sustain as Janna; each time you are damaged while trying to use up your stacks you also need to chunk potions. Overall, Ketara is grossly undervaluing sustain in lane and simply dismissing the fact that potions cost gold. In an age where revolver is rarely bought, sometimes people fall into this trap that you can get all your sustain for free just by chunking potions. It's not true. Each potion is still 35g and your extra gold (assuming if you even get any) from Spellthief will go straight to potions. I am willing to go Spellthief on certain match ups, say vs Taric (by the way, he is rarely played). I am not even comfortable enough to run Spellthief against Leona because she can actually out trade me pretty hard with her EQW (no, if you think you can reliably and meaningfully cancel her E with Janna Q you have never played on east coast before). If you go Spellthief vs another ranged support you are just asking to be spanked. | ||
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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On October 07 2014 11:46 Sufficiency wrote: TIL no one plays Vlad/Akali/Mordekaiser It's also situationally useful for Kennen and Rumble depending on the match up and how long you want to drag on the laning phase. The only reason it's bought on Akali is cuz of how good Gunblade is. Vlad and Morde does just fine without revolver, and completely optional. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On Mordekaiser it is mandatory unless you want to get warmog or something. So I assume you derped on that one. Revolver is not always required on Vlad, but it gives you more options and you can play more aggressively by maintaining your E better. Against some easy match ups you can definitely skip it, but I don't think it's terribly good vs a champion with gapcloser or a ranged champion. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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Goumindong
United States3529 Posts
On October 07 2014 12:37 krndandaman wrote: I do pretty fine vs ranged supports as janna. Though if it was tough matchup like vayne/janna vs nami/lucian, I don't think I would pick janna in that situation anyways. You don't always have to take poke when trying to proc spellthiefs. I can often get a free auto off even without shield, but if I can't you can always shield auto. There was a good example by lemonnation vs SSB or NJWS I forget. Dude was trading really well with autos vs nami. I think coin/talisman is a fine option for janna. I just think it's a pussy way to play her when she is best played with smart trades. Spellthiefs helps make those trades even more in your favor. Coin just helps you recover from your fuckups since if you trade smart, your HP should be fine. Yes but so can the enemy get free autos off on you (if they can't why can you get free autos off on them?). It is true that if you're able to trade without retaliation then knife is better. But that isn't the case when you can't. And Janna's range at 475 auto is lower than every other ranged support and AD at every point in the game. If the enemy knows what they're doing you should not ever get free trades as Janna. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
By the way, this is how Janna is historically played anyway. She was always the pussy support who is better at counter engaging because she has no initiation or poke in lane. It had never been a problem and I don't see how there is a problem now. | ||
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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
If krepo said that he got to be joking. Janna seems to have an upper hand right now because a lot of supports she historically had problems with are no longer played in competitive. This includes, in particular, Sona, Annie, Zyra, Lulu, just to name a few. Janna's kit is so deficient against them that you have to play in a passive way. Nami is still around, but after her W nerfs I feel a lot of people are switching back to Thresh. Janna vs Thresh is a skill match up which Janna can play a bit more openly, yes, but her playstyle in that particular match up does not define her playstyle as a wholw. | ||
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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
Seeing that she's hovering around bottom 10 in win% and is the 4. least popular champion, maybe they should reconsider the rework or at least fix some of these issues. | ||
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Doctorbeat
Netherlands13241 Posts
On October 07 2014 14:12 Shikyo wrote: Cassiopeia mana costs seem insanely high. It's like I need archangels and RoA just to be able to get through a teamfight. Cannot even solo Baron because even if I destroy it in no time at all, I run out of mana halfway through even with a blue buff. Yeah, mana management and all but her in-fight mana consumption is higher than like, Anivia's and Kassadin's combined. If only there was a passive that accounted for that... Oh wait. Seeing that she's hovering around bottom 10 in win% and is the 4. least popular champion, maybe they should reconsider the rework or at least fix some of these issues. Just give old Cass back and revert some of the nerfs on her E. | ||
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Frolossus
United States4779 Posts
On October 07 2014 14:42 Doctorbeat wrote: Just give old Cass back and revert some of the nerfs on her E. riot doesn't undo their crappy reworks unfortunately | ||
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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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miicah
Australia2470 Posts
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Bearded Elder29903 Posts
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On October 07 2014 15:02 miicah wrote: They should just remove athenes, but they won't because not casting spells is unfun. It's actually enjoyable managing your mana in the early levels in dota. Then why not lower mana costs and/or raise passive regen? The champions that don't use mana are already broken because of the mana/no mana system so we dont lose anything. I guess some champions would become OP, temporarily, but its better than the current resource system which doesnt work. | ||
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