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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On October 07 2014 04:04 onlywonderboy wrote: That is a good point, learning from their mistake about patching too close to Worlds is actually a pretty huge deal. Not doing something 9/10 idiot redditors and 10/10 tl posters would recommend against is progress? Plus, they didn't even manage it correctly because solo queue for changed for them anyways. | ||
onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
On October 07 2014 04:12 cLutZ wrote: Not doing something 9/10 idiot redditors and 10/10 tl posters would recommend against is progress? Plus, they didn't even manage it correctly because solo queue for changed for them anyways. Well considering they did it for Season 3 they at least learned from their mistake. Also I assume the tournament realm wasn't update so they could still scrim in the proper patch environment. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
Hey look, Riot finally said they were doing something. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On October 07 2014 04:16 onlywonderboy wrote: Well considering they did it for Season 3 they at least learned from their mistake. Also I assume the tournament realm wasn't update so they could still scrim in the proper patch environment. That is true. But, notice the suspicious drop in trist picks as the tournament progresses? | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On October 07 2014 04:27 cLutZ wrote: That is true. But, notice the suspicious drop in trist picks as the tournament progresses? They probably we able to hop on the tournament realm to scrim. | ||
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On October 06 2014 22:49 Celial wrote: This amazing and deep strategic insight is brought to you by one of the "panelists" of lolesports.com power ranking column. Not leaving anything open to interpretation, coin is simply trash. Frost Queens Claim is the very best item in the game and should be bought on every single support. That includes Tresh, Braum, Alistar, Leona, Taric and Volibear. Also, in case of kill lanes on Xin Zhao, Jarvan and Pantheon. And support Rengar. There is not even a need to discuss it for five pages and do some math and discuss different use cases. Get with the program, guys! That statement is about as correct (and valuable) as any power ranking ever posted on lolesports.com. Thank you for your insight. For some humor, here is the worlds power rank. Not sure if Neo had any hand in it though, they didn't put the names in this time and Neo didn't participate in the one before that. Sorry, but I can't take anyone serious who is willing to vouch with his name for THAT kind of content. Also, fuck you to whoever reported my "Whooosh" post. I was keeping on with the proud tradition of bashing retardation wherever it pops up and this is my thanks...  Not sure why you felt the need to call me out but I'll humor you. 1. I post on TeamLiquid with the understanding that my reputation proceeds me. I've been TL for over a decade, I've played League longer than anyone who posts on this site, I've done my fair share of analyzing LoL matches over the past four seasons. So when I make a shorthanded opinion, I trust that the general public has an idea where I'm coming from. 2. I admit that my quoted post was broad and sweeping. Of course there are situations where Coin/Talisman can be more beneficial than Spellthief's/FQC (I even gave an example of Annie/Thresh) but in the majority of the time, the latter has superior stats and a better active. That is my opinion after reading a page and a half of GD posts about Janna and support items. I wanted to give my input. Take it as you will. 3. What makes you a complete and utter shitter is that you decide to bring in Riot's Power Rankings into this discussion when you aren't even well informed enough to realize how Riot's Power Rankings work. I can assure you that 9 times out of 10, I disagree with the final rankings but my vote is a fraction of the entire panel. The names are even listed at the bottom. So what you have an issue with is a collective opinion that I not only disagree with most of the time but I only have a small contributing factor in. In what way does my input in Riot's Power Ranking debase my statement about support items? Not every post of mine is going to be detailed or fully justified nor should I have to defend my every post. If anything, you've said nothing about why Coin is better than Spellthief in most situations. Edit: After rereading your post a few times I also want to state that my posts are naturally geared towards competitive play. So you're winning with support Xin, J4, Rengar, it doesn't matter what the fuck you're building. It would be ideal if we were discussing the game along the same parameters. | ||
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kongoline
6318 Posts
On October 07 2014 04:18 Gahlo wrote: http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/riot-official/0YOGUwHG-stability-upgrade-and-planned-migration-for-na-servers Hey look, Riot finally said they were doing something. lol they say that ever 6months or so and nothing is changed | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On October 07 2014 04:33 Gahlo wrote: They probably we able to hop on the tournament realm to scrim. Yea, I acknowledge that. However, hearing dlift, freeze, and other ads talk you realize they are mostly idiots and prioritize things like lane dominance or lvl xxx power. Things that soloq experience will creep into your mind when things are subtle like the trist changes. | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On October 07 2014 04:27 cLutZ wrote: That is true. But, notice the suspicious drop in trist picks as the tournament progresses? That has much less to do with planned tristana nerfs and more to do with the fact that better teams punish Trist's still weak midgame a lot better. Trist is a bit unique among AD carries in that she doesn't just need items, she needs levels, as well. Midgame Trist sucks not only because she needs more items, but also because her passive hasn't really kicked in yet so her range isn't great. In Korea, Tristana never reached the level of popularity we saw in LCS because teams were good at abusing her with Corki and Lucian. It's no coincidence that Trist goes down in pick/ban priority in a tournament with Koreans. Plus, pro teams have access to the tournament realm for scrimming. | ||
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Zess
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
On October 07 2014 04:57 Ryuu314 wrote: That has much less to do with planned tristana nerfs and more to do with the fact that better teams punish Trist's still weak midgame a lot better. Trist is a bit unique among AD carries in that she doesn't just need items, she needs levels, as well. Midgame Trist sucks not only because she needs more items, but also because her passive hasn't really kicked in yet so her range isn't great. In Korea, Tristana never reached the level of popularity we saw in LCS because teams were good at abusing her with Corki and Lucian. It's no coincidence that Trist goes down in pick/ban priority in a tournament with Koreans. Plus, pro teams have access to the tournament realm for scrimming. Voyboy next level running Trist mid to get those precious levels from faster creep spawns | ||
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RouaF
France4121 Posts
As for the talisman/fqc comparison you can see there are more and more jannas sitting on the lvl 1 spellthief because upgrading it doesn't give you that much since the 4gp10 -> 2gp10 nerf. The movespeed buff is huge IMO to engage/disengage. At the end of the day debating this is pointless because 100% of pro players go spellthief, it is superior. Is it vastly superior ? I don't think so and if you feel more comfortable with coin/talisman you should go for it. I'd also like to point out that this game is far from figured out as it is constantly changing. Take a look at all the jannas at worlds, none of them have the same item build or the same runes/masteries. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On October 07 2014 04:36 NeoIllusions wrote: Not sure why you felt the need to call me out but I'll humor you. 1. I post on TeamLiquid with the understanding that my reputation proceeds me. I've been TL for over a decade, I've played League longer than anyone who posts on this site, I've done my fair share of analyzing LoL matches over the past four seasons. So when I make a shorthanded opinion, I trust that the general public has an idea where I'm coming from. 2. I admit that my quoted post was broad and sweeping. Of course there are situations where Coin/Talisman can be more beneficial than Spellthief's/FQC (I even gave an example of Annie/Thresh) but in the majority of the time, the latter has superior stats and a better active. That is my opinion after reading a page and a half of GD posts about Janna and support items. I wanted to give my input. Take it as you will. 3. What makes you a complete and utter shitter is that you decide to bring in Riot's Power Rankings into this discussion when you aren't even well informed enough to realize how Riot's Power Rankings work. I can assure you that 9 times out of 10, I disagree with the final rankings but my vote is a fraction of the entire panel. The names are even listed at the bottom. So what you have an issue with is a collective opinion that I not only disagree with most of the time but I only have a small contributing factor in. In what way does my input in Riot's Power Ranking debase my statement about support items? Not every post of mine is going to be detailed or fully justified nor should I have to defend my every post. If anything, you've said nothing about why Coin is better than Spellthief in most situations. Edit: After rereading your post a few times I also want to state that my posts are naturally geared towards competitive play. So you're winning with support Xin, J4, Rengar, it doesn't matter what the fuck you're building. It would be ideal if we were discussing the game along the same parameters. OK I am pretty sure we were only discussing with the context of solo queue. It is clear that competitively every Janna goes Spellthief and I actually think Spellthief is overwhelmingly better in competitive due to lane swaps and heavy roaming. | ||
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Goumindong
United States3529 Posts
Additionally you have the situation backwards. For Janna you want coin against knife supports because you need the sustain in order to fight in lane. Giving them the few extra gp/10 is no big deal since coin means you can fight them. You go knife against melee because against melee you won't be taking damage anyway and so don't need to worry about your sustain. You can also go knife against a team where your AD has favorable trading because you can use your ADs strength to leverage more one sided trades with the knife. | ||
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Klonere
Ireland4123 Posts
On October 07 2014 04:18 Gahlo wrote: http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/riot-official/0YOGUwHG-stability-upgrade-and-planned-migration-for-na-servers Hey look, Riot finally said they were doing something. lmao the Rioters reply that East Coast ping has been downvoted so much you have to click to read it. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On October 07 2014 06:02 Klonere wrote: lmao the Rioters reply that East Coast ping has been downvoted so much you have to click to read it. I don't understand how Riot is fucking this up this hard. | ||
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phyvo
United States5635 Posts
This man knows his priorities. | ||
deth2munkies
United States4051 Posts
On October 07 2014 05:40 Sufficiency wrote: OK I am pretty sure we were only discussing with the context of solo queue. It is clear that competitively every Janna goes Spellthief and I actually think Spellthief is overwhelmingly better in competitive due to lane swaps and heavy roaming. This is absolutely true, even moreso because competitive teams tend to not pick compositions where Coin would be better. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On October 07 2014 07:07 deth2munkies wrote: This is absolutely true, even moreso because competitive teams tend to not pick compositions where Coin would be better. That's a lie, when Sivir + Olaf was a thing, talisman active was godly good. | ||
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