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Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
October 07 2014 13:39 GMT
#1241
I agree that at this point most gold comes from objectives and assists, it's just that I'd rather be nitpicky than let inane affirmations fly by when people pull out all the stops to make their vision prevail.

As for the match-ups I'm probably biased since I pretty much only play Lulu seriously (and I'm very aggressive at that), while I've been really bad at Thresh whenever I tried him, so...
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
October 07 2014 13:42 GMT
#1242
On October 07 2014 12:16 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2014 11:46 Sufficiency wrote:
On October 07 2014 11:42 wei2coolman wrote:
On October 07 2014 11:40 Sufficiency wrote:
On October 07 2014 09:04 Ketara wrote:
Spellthief is better because it gives more gold.

What's dumb about this argument is that Sufficiency and Goumindong are arguing that the laning stats of Coin and Spellthief are equal. Which they're not, but even if they were, Spellthief would still be better because it gives way more gold.

The argument that Janna can't make good use of it is bullshit. In order for it to give more gold than Coin all you have to do is trade with the enemy duo once every other minion wave. That's not hard to do.


What is the point of buying a revolver in lane when you can just buy a blasting wand?

that's why no one buys revolver in lane.


TIL no one plays Vlad/Akali/Mordekaiser

It's also situationally useful for Kennen and Rumble depending on the match up and how long you want to drag on the laning phase.

The only reason it's bought on Akali is cuz of how good Gunblade is.
Vlad and Morde does just fine without revolver, and completely optional.

playing mordekaiser without revolver seems like torture to me
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Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
October 07 2014 14:04 GMT
#1243
You have to be crazy to not build a single sustain item on Morde.
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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-07 14:30:32
October 07 2014 14:28 GMT
#1244
On October 07 2014 23:04 Sufficiency wrote:
You have to be crazy to not build a single sustain item on Morde.

You can easily just rush dc with pot sustain, and just continue waveclear. Or abyssal if your playing against shit like syndra. Revolver is completely optional.
liftlift > tsm
Alzadar
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada5009 Posts
October 07 2014 14:55 GMT
#1245
I've been seeing a lot of Gnar recently, did people just realize he was good or did some pro pick him up? 3 second stun on a bruiser, why did I not see him before now?
I am the Town Medic.
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
October 07 2014 14:57 GMT
#1246
People seemed to initially be building a lot of damage on him so they failed hard but now they realize that just one damage into full tank is a lot better.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-07 15:00:49
October 07 2014 14:59 GMT
#1247
On October 07 2014 23:28 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2014 23:04 Sufficiency wrote:
You have to be crazy to not build a single sustain item on Morde.

You can easily just rush dc with pot sustain, and just continue waveclear. Or abyssal if your playing against shit like syndra. Revolver is completely optional.



Do you know how much health a rank 5 E costs?

The point being, you need spellvamp EVENTUALLY. Otherwise the health cost becomes so high that you can't do anything.

So, if you need a revolcer eventually, you might as well get it early and save the pots cost.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29905 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-07 15:08:44
October 07 2014 15:04 GMT
#1248
I always thought that Revolver into WotA is a core item on Mordekaiser? Spellvamp is essential here.

Edit : Seems like Xaxus and Celaver are out of ROCCAT. They're most likely to sign Woolite and some top laner from a foreign country.
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Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
October 07 2014 15:10 GMT
#1249
IMO wota is not required, but revolver is, unfortunately. Unless you are getting decimated in lane you need to get it first to offset youe health cost.

It's actually very problematic for Morde. His health cost is only inhibitive until he gets revolver, by which point his spells are free. IMO it is a bad design.
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mr_tolkien
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France8631 Posts
October 07 2014 15:11 GMT
#1250
On October 07 2014 23:04 Sufficiency wrote:
You have to be crazy to not build a single sustain item on Morde.

FTFY.
The legend of Darien lives on
Alzadar
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada5009 Posts
October 07 2014 15:14 GMT
#1251
Of the health cost champions, I'd say only Mundo is well designed, maybe Aatrox. Zac essentially has no costs and simply heals all the time, Mordekaiser has no costs after spellvamp, and I hope I don't need to go into Vladimir.
I am the Town Medic.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
October 07 2014 15:16 GMT
#1252
Vladimir would be fine without revolver imo. It's hard to call, but if you need to constantly maintain wyour E with Q I think he is OK.

Revolver kind of ruined it.
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Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
October 07 2014 15:23 GMT
#1253
On October 08 2014 00:11 mr_tolkien wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2014 23:04 Sufficiency wrote:
You have to be crazy to not build a single sustain item on Morde.

FTFY.


Mordekaiser is not very strong right now, but he isn't awful either.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
kongoline
Profile Joined February 2012
6318 Posts
October 07 2014 15:23 GMT
#1254
On October 08 2014 00:16 Sufficiency wrote:
Vladimir would be fine without revolver imo. It's hard to call, but if you need to constantly maintain wyour E with Q I think he is OK.

Revolver kind of ruined it.

revolver on vlad is a must to survive majority of matchups only one i can think its optional is nasus
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29905 Posts
October 07 2014 15:26 GMT
#1255
Bjergsen now streaming Azir mid vs Pobelter Jayce.
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Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
October 07 2014 15:26 GMT
#1256
On October 08 2014 00:23 kongoline wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2014 00:16 Sufficiency wrote:
Vladimir would be fine without revolver imo. It's hard to call, but if you need to constantly maintain wyour E with Q I think he is OK.

Revolver kind of ruined it.

revolver on vlad is a must to survive majority of matchups only one i can think its optional is nasus


I agree with that. I am just saying that Vladimir in a game which revolver does not exist might be less toxic than his current form.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
October 07 2014 15:27 GMT
#1257
On October 08 2014 00:10 Sufficiency wrote:
IMO wota is not required, but revolver is, unfortunately. Unless you are getting decimated in lane you need to get it first to offset youe health cost.

It's actually very problematic for Morde. His health cost is only inhibitive until he gets revolver, by which point his spells are free. IMO it is a bad design.

With the early large amount of AP by rush Dcap, you should easily be able to clear 2-3 waves, back, return without losing CS, and continue trading farm.
liftlift > tsm
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
October 07 2014 15:30 GMT
#1258
On October 08 2014 00:23 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2014 00:11 mr_tolkien wrote:
On October 07 2014 23:04 Sufficiency wrote:
You have to be crazy to not build a single sustain item on Morde.

FTFY.


Mordekaiser is not very strong right now, but he isn't awful either.


How so? He's like the biggest "please gank me" button in the game. Lol.

As a jungler I get giddy when I see people lock in morde, I know for a fact I can kill him at least four times during lane and take a tower / Dragon each time.

It's basically freelo. Only time you can't flat out kill Morde with jungle pressure is if he's bad in the first place and getting completely smashed regardless.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
October 07 2014 15:30 GMT
#1259
If you are playing against a W maxing Fizz, sure.

You can't actually outshove anyone else in 3 waves.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
October 07 2014 15:31 GMT
#1260
I'd be really curious to see some high Elo Mordekaiser games. I remember liking him near the end of s1 and the start of s2 when I was still a beginner, because he'd feel badass and be pretty tanky, but he's so outclassed as a slow melee champion with no cc or mobility and not much range now...

Vlad is along with Jayce one of these champs Irelia is supposed to be but I can't for the life of me. Well, Jayce I can, it depends wether of not the guy knows how to make his E cast while he's stunned (really that spell is so stupid in how it's implemented; I wish Quinn's E was done more subtly than basically suppressing you for a full second as she starts the cast too, since they only id it to avoid Rammus/Singed/Volibear counteracting it), but once Vlad gets a revolver he just heals to full between 2 trades unless your needed cooldowns are all lower than 8-10s.
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