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On October 08 2014 01:53 iCanada wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2014 01:43 Sufficiency wrote:On October 08 2014 01:40 iCanada wrote:On October 08 2014 01:35 Sufficiency wrote:On October 08 2014 01:30 iCanada wrote:On October 08 2014 01:00 Sufficiency wrote:On October 08 2014 00:53 iCanada wrote:On October 08 2014 00:51 Sufficiency wrote:
Right so you need to ward too! And it's not free gank! Wow what a surprise! Except most jungles deep ward to track other jungle anyway, and jungle probably has sightstone and oracles and you don't. Damn. I know nothing of deep warding. I am such a retard. Where can I buy this "oracle" item? Can you teach me senpai? Upgrade sweeper lens. And don't be sarcastic, doesn't add anything. I'm sure you ward jungle paths nearly every game. The wrath brush, the one near red, the pathways near wolves / Wight. Oh you mean upgraded sweeper! Damn. I didn't know Morde had stealth. It's not for morde stealth, for vision control. Kind of hard to gave vision when enemy jungler is killing two ward's every minute. In soloqueue most people just stop warding. That's a great idea. Thanks for teaching me senpai. Oh wait. By the time you get it you are already level 9! By that time support would have roamed mid and helped me ward! And why would you spend 475 gold just for the lower cooldown? It's not the lower cooldown, you can clear more ward's with the upgrade... If I spend 475 gold, I can press 4 and walk by Dragon and kill probably 3 ward's every minute or until they stop warding which is with 475 easily because then you basically have full Dragon control. I'm sorry I insulted your favorite champion, but the butthurt here is ridiculous.
Oracle's require level 9 last time I checked. You just said free kills... I didn't know you meant free kills after you are level 9.
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We have already established that in competitive Spellthief is more appealing due to its passive gp10. No one was arguing with that.
Don't you think these players may also go for the same build in solo queue as practice?
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Pre level 9 you probably have a lot less vision.
It's hardly trolling to suggest morde is easier to gank than the common mid laners. Except Yasuo, some Yasii so easy to kill, but by the sane token some Yasuo are impossible to kill, lots of outplay potential there.
For the record, I never upgraded trinkets before, but after watching every Korean jungler do it at worlds, I've started rushing it. The results have been good.
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On October 08 2014 02:05 iCanada wrote:
Pre level 9 you probably have a lot less vision.
It's hardly trolling to suggest morde is easier to gank than the common mid laners. Except Yasuo, some Yasii so easy to kill, but by the sane token some Yasuo are impossible to kill, lots of outplay potential there.
For the record, I never upgraded trinkets before, but after watching every Korean jungler do it at worlds, I've started rushing it. The results have been good.
Easier to gank != unplayable due to uncontrollable feeding to enemy jungler.
Thank you and have a nice day
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On October 08 2014 01:50 Ketara wrote:
It's because Sufficiency and Goumindong refuse to admit that they're wrong and that not buying boots on a champion is pretty stupid.
I mean it's not like you aren't one of the worst offenders here too, pot/kettle and all that.
Thing is everyone is so engrossed in their damn ego wars that whenever someone mentions how shitty these thread are becoming, there's typically someone showing up and saying "yeah X is really bad" when it's all of us who are a collective of shitters.
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as a morde i go mid only to instantly push the wave then do jungle theres no point to stick around and wait to be ganked
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I don't think I implied that was the case. More that most mordes I come across are quite easy to kill.
You're putting words in my mouth if you think I said he was unplayable. I just said I got excited as a jungle. That's not me trolling, that's you being hyper sensative.
Every jungle likes easy ganks.
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In competitive Lee Sin is almost first pick first ban, Elise is a fairly popular pick. On the other hand, Amumu/Sejuani/WW/Rammus are almost non heard of
In solo queue Lee/Elise has mid 40% win rate. And guess who wins a lot?
You can't equate what pros need and what solo queue players need. The same goes for items. You can't just say X is good in professional, premade games when voice comm and 0 lantecy is automatically goos in solo queue. It's a bit stretched.
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On October 08 2014 02:13 iCanada wrote:
I don't think I implied that was the case. More that most mordes I come across are quite easy to kill.
You're putting words in my mouth if you think I said he was unplayable. I just said I got excited as a jungle. That's not me trolling, that's you being hyper sensative.
Every jungle likes easy ganks.
As a jungler I get giddy when I see people lock in morde, I know for a fact I can kill him at least four times during lane and take a tower / Dragon each time.
It's basically freelo. Only time you can't flat out kill Morde with jungle pressure is if he's bad in the first place and getting completely smashed regardless.
Any other questions?
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On October 08 2014 02:13 kongoline wrote:
as a morde i go mid only to instantly push the wave then do jungle theres no point to stick around and wait to be ganked
Yeah, as Morde you want to just push once, and then ward out your wraiths, and just go straight to wraiths. Morde's all about trading farm, not about denying farm.
On October 08 2014 02:16 Sufficiency wrote:
In competitive Lee Sin is almost first pick first ban, Elise is a fairly popular pick. On the other hand, Amumu/Sejuani/WW/Rammus are almost non heard of
In solo queue Lee/Elise has mid 40% win rate. And guess who wins a lot?
You can't equate what pros need and what solo queue players need. The same goes for items. You can't just say X is good in professional, premade games when voice comm and 0 lantecy is automatically goos in solo queue. It's a bit stretched.
something something communication is overrated.
ie, royal club.
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On October 08 2014 02:19 krndandaman wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2014 02:16 Sufficiency wrote:
In competitive Lee Sin is almost first pick first ban, Elise is a fairly popular pick. On the other hand, Amumu/Sejuani/WW/Rammus are almost non heard of
In solo queue Lee/Elise has mid 40% win rate. And guess who wins a lot?
You can't equate what pros need and what solo queue players need. The same goes for items. You can't just say X is good in professional, premade games when voice comm and 0 lantecy is automatically goos in solo queue. It's a bit stretched. Yeah because surprise champions make up a teamcomp that determines their worth. If the same does go for items, can you please name another example where an item X is a must buy in competitive and isn't in soloqueue? Or the other way around? Isn't it more stretched that you're assuming voice com and latency makes an item that is bought 100% of the time in pro play become inferior to another item?
Rengar. Competitve Rengar builds tanky for survivability. He is there to facilitate for his team, not to one shot people.
In solo queue you try to carry so you build damage. You can't just rely on your teammates to do the damage.
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On October 08 2014 02:19 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2014 02:13 kongoline wrote:
as a morde i go mid only to instantly push the wave then do jungle theres no point to stick around and wait to be ganked Yeah, as Morde you want to just push once, and then ward out your wraiths, and just go straight to wraiths. Morde's all about trading farm, not about denying farm.
if u push fast enough its not even trading enemy laner cant freeze they wont be able to tank full wave for 30s most of the time they jsut end up last hitting under turret or push it back if they have wave clear
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The jungle changes hurt Morde quite a bit. He cannot take wraiths anymore (at least not very easily) until level 5.
He can still apply pressure to the lane and prevent the enemy laner from roaming though.
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On October 08 2014 02:18 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2014 02:13 iCanada wrote:
I don't think I implied that was the case. More that most mordes I come across are quite easy to kill.
You're putting words in my mouth if you think I said he was unplayable. I just said I got excited as a jungle. That's not me trolling, that's you being hyper sensative.
Every jungle likes easy ganks. Show nested quote +As a jungler I get giddy when I see people lock in morde, I know for a fact I can kill him at least four times during lane and take a tower / Dragon each time.
It's basically freelo. Only time you can't flat out kill Morde with jungle pressure is if he's bad in the first place and getting completely smashed regardless. Any other questions?
To be fair, the majority of the time in solo queue, easy ganks are usually freelo. If you knew your jungle would gank more successfully than the other teams, what would you say your teams chances of winning were?
Is having easier ganks not having a higher percentage chance to have your jungle out gank theirs?
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On October 08 2014 02:23 kongoline wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2014 02:19 wei2coolman wrote:On October 08 2014 02:13 kongoline wrote:
as a morde i go mid only to instantly push the wave then do jungle theres no point to stick around and wait to be ganked Yeah, as Morde you want to just push once, and then ward out your wraiths, and just go straight to wraiths. Morde's all about trading farm, not about denying farm. if u push fast enough its not even trading enemy laner cant freeze they wont be able to tank full wave for 30s most of the time they jsut end up last hitting under turret or push it back if they have wave clear
That's best case scenario, that you deny maybe 2 creeps a wave if they can't last hit under turret. But that's a bonus when you shove waves like that. You should be aiming to trade out waves.
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On October 08 2014 02:31 krndandaman wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2014 02:22 Sufficiency wrote:On October 08 2014 02:19 krndandaman wrote:On October 08 2014 02:16 Sufficiency wrote:
In competitive Lee Sin is almost first pick first ban, Elise is a fairly popular pick. On the other hand, Amumu/Sejuani/WW/Rammus are almost non heard of
In solo queue Lee/Elise has mid 40% win rate. And guess who wins a lot?
You can't equate what pros need and what solo queue players need. The same goes for items. You can't just say X is good in professional, premade games when voice comm and 0 lantecy is automatically goos in solo queue. It's a bit stretched. Yeah because surprise champions make up a teamcomp that determines their worth. If the same does go for items, can you please name another example where an item X is a must buy in competitive and isn't in soloqueue? Or the other way around? Isn't it more stretched that you're assuming voice com and latency makes an item that is bought 100% of the time in pro play become inferior to another item? Rengar. Competitve Rengar builds tanky for survivability. He is there to facilitate for his team, not to one shot people. In solo queue you try to carry so you build damage. You can't just rely on your teammates to do the damage. http://www.probuilds.net/champions/RengarHow come pros here are doing the soloqueue build and they aren't for janna? I don't see much tankiness in here at all.
Interesting. You should just keep doing that Spellthief build then.
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