[Patch 4.17] Soraka/Viktor General Discussion - Page 45

On October 04 2014 23:12 justiceknight wrote:
what am i suppose to do as Jayce when both team engage? just sit behind and play like adc?

On October 04 2014 08:44 Alaric wrote:
Oh I gave her a try again, but it's definitely time I get something else.
Even without the glitches, that game had Lee, Riven, Ashe, Annie, Leona, and it reminded me of how stupidly weak her kit is for a melee champion with such a bad attack animation (I think her animation for triggering W's 3rd stack has more windup than Wukong's). Any kind of slow just ruins her, and pretty much any hard cc or silence makes her Q a non-factor (1.5s to charge it, 3s cd if you get interrupted, 1.5s to charge it again*), and her ult isn't nearly good enough with all the disengage* to make it worthwile.

So she can't 1v1 people, she can't RQ combo against cc, and her passive isn't enough if you need survivability. Meanwhile, her dps is easily reduced to 0 because of how bad she is at chasing outside of QautoE combos.
Not enough assassins in the meta to make up for it and snowball lanes.

Thinking of getting J4. I like Udyr, but he doesn't work well with the popular picks, and he has the same weaknesses as Vi, without the glitches or the initiation, so there's no point in taking him. Hecarim fun but too farm dependant.
I'd get Rammus if I could figure out how to make it work. Maybe I should relearn to straight up camp a lane.

* her Q tends to glitch a lot if you go for the minimal charge (tap Q with smartcast on). It won't go off till later, or you'll sometimes need to press Q again and release it to cast (she's "stuck" in her charge).
Even when her ult doesn't bug out, it's so easy to disrupt her because it doesn't do much on people aside from the target.

Another bit about fucked up shit: Irelia automatically tries to attack whoever gets hit with her ult. You can never use it while running away because it'll override whatever move command you've given, and you'll run back right into the enemies behind you.
It's just coded as a stupid behaviour like that.

Oh. Also EUW fucked, 3 games in a row, 3 dc from at least one team (both in one of them).

Edit: when I reached level 30 I had Ashe, Morgana, Irelia, Swain, and at least one of Renekton or Singed. That was before price reductions so Morg was 3150, the other two 6300 each, Renek 4800+ and Singed... can't remember well either.
I had enough for 2 sets of runes (MPen/AD marks, armour seals, MR/level glyphs, and MS quints), then I started grinding.

On October 05 2014 00:55 Capped wrote:
Ashe: R -> Right click -> Press W occasionally.

She is literally the most braindead and un-interactive ADC in league, how is she more fun than trist or anybody?

(Dont get me wrong i <3 Ashe but she isn't exactly a barrel of laughs compared to other ADC's)

On October 05 2014 00:55 Capped wrote:
Ashe: R -> Right click -> Press W occasionally.

She is literally the most braindead and un-interactive ADC in league, how is she more fun than trist or anybody?

(Dont get me wrong i <3 Ashe but she isn't exactly a barrel of laughs compared to other ADC's)

On October 05 2014 01:57 Vanka wrote:


How many people you can snipe off with an arrow game is a lot of fun, especially in solo queue where people are liable to be picked off split pushing or whatever.

Also there's this feeling of invincibility when q is maxed when someone doesn't expect you and you just pop into auto range and there's nothing they can do to escape. Kinda like vayne but less dangerous to chase

On October 05 2014 02:18 Osmoses wrote:
As a gp main i totally understand the appeal of Ashe. It's the simplicity, the purity of play. Positioning correctly and timing your abilities and engages, with any champ perfection is nigh impossible, but when the core kit is this simple it is so much easier to truly grasp the limits. Squeezing the most out of your champion at any given time is a very rewarding feeling.

On October 05 2014 02:27 Merlin the Tuna wrote:
Yeah, whenever I play Ashe I get the "Man this is such a simple, elegant kit" feeling throughout laning. Then you start to group up and the other 3 members of the team suddenly appear on top of you and turn you into a smoking crater That's when I remember why I stopped playing Ashe.

On October 04 2014 23:12 justiceknight wrote:
what am i suppose to do as Jayce when both team engage? just sit behind and play like adc?

On October 05 2014 02:41 Osmoses wrote:
On the note of unorthodox champs, I STILL haven't figured out how to play sivir. Honestly when I play her she just feels like pure garbage.