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On September 30 2014 22:31 kongoline wrote:
62% winrate rammus today, can it reach 70 ...
Watch Rito nerf his taunt even more.
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On September 30 2014 19:24 GolemMadness wrote:
The thing that I don't understand about Garen is why his ult is so terrible. It's one of the worst executes, but at rank 1 it has like the 4th highest cooldown in the game? Instead of it being 160/120/80, why can't it just be 120/100/80?
The problem with his ult is definitely not the cooldown.
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On September 30 2014 18:24 Goumindong wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2014 16:19 Sufficiency wrote:On September 30 2014 16:10 Goumindong wrote:On September 30 2014 15:49 Sufficiency wrote:Here's something neat: In early September (September 3-6th), I mined almost every single NA player's soloQ ranking position. About 20 days later (September 23-25th), I did it again. The following picture are NA player who: 1. In early September (September 3-6th), had veteran status. 2. In late September (September 23-25th), jumped at least 7 tiers up (e.g. Bronze V to Silver IV) You can compare their old and new stats (grey vs. green columns). + Show Spoiler + That can't be all of them No but it's pretty close. That isn't very many given the number of players. I wonder how many make the jump earlier and then stopped playing. Because even if we are talking random chance with 1.3 million accounts you would expect a few people to get carried up in a short period of time.
You used to be veteran (100 games played minimum) then jump 7 ranks in 20 days? It cannot happen randomly.
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By the way, I also have the names of all the ~1.3 mil players. Barring encoding issues, it wouldn't be too difficult to see how many players have Korean summoner names, etc.
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On September 30 2014 20:33 GolemMadness wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2014 19:36 Gahlo wrote:On September 30 2014 19:24 GolemMadness wrote:
The thing that I don't understand about Garen is why his ult is so terrible. It's one of the worst executes, but at rank 1 it has like the 4th highest cooldown in the game? Instead of it being 160/120/80, why can't it just be 120/100/80? Joking, right? It's a strong execute and probably one of the strongest tank busting abilities in the game. Doing rough math, Riven's ult with a 3 offensive item core and max damage tier does 930 physical damage. On the same target, Garen's ult does the same amount of damage when their max health is 1350hp and does magic damage and continues to scale up from there. Granted, Riven's ult is in AOE and she'll benefit from penetration, but it was the only other ult execute my tired mind could come up with. A quick comparison vs a target with a max of 2,500 health with 80% missing who has 100 armour and 60 MR: Level 16 Riven with 21 offense masteries, 15 AD runes, hydra, last whisper and ghostblade will do 639 damage after resistances Level 16 Garen with 21 offense masteries will do 847 damage after resistances First of all, comparatively you're putting Garen at his strongest point and Riven at her weakest (at rank 1 Riven's ult will do basically the same amount of damage as Garen's). Secondly, Riven's ult is ranged, AoE and gives her other bonuses while it's active. The cooldown is also much lower, and it can scale beyond 3 items. A bloodthirster would bring it up to 819. While the scaling on Garen's ult isn't the worst, it's just garbage early. Insane cooldown, does magic damage for no apparent reason and doesn't even do very much damage. A rank 3 Lee Sin Q will do basically the same amount. Really though, my main issue is that it has such a long cooldown at rank 1. There's just nothing to warrant it. The only abilities with longer cooldowns are global ult's and Zilean's ult (which doesn't even count because he has rewind). Also, the fact that just a hexdrinker basically means that you have no ult until level 11 is stupid.
I was doing it at 75%, where Riven's ult damage tiering caps out. Garens ult being magic damage ensures it does solid damage in lane so you don't waste the cooldown, since who buys MR when they lane against Garen? Maybe for Merc Treds, but that's about it.
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On September 30 2014 23:38 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2014 22:31 kongoline wrote:
62% winrate rammus today, can it reach 70 ... Watch Rito nerf his taunt even more.
make the taunt work like fiddlestick, i will laugh.
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On September 30 2014 23:59 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2014 20:33 GolemMadness wrote:On September 30 2014 19:36 Gahlo wrote:On September 30 2014 19:24 GolemMadness wrote:
The thing that I don't understand about Garen is why his ult is so terrible. It's one of the worst executes, but at rank 1 it has like the 4th highest cooldown in the game? Instead of it being 160/120/80, why can't it just be 120/100/80? Joking, right? It's a strong execute and probably one of the strongest tank busting abilities in the game. Doing rough math, Riven's ult with a 3 offensive item core and max damage tier does 930 physical damage. On the same target, Garen's ult does the same amount of damage when their max health is 1350hp and does magic damage and continues to scale up from there. Granted, Riven's ult is in AOE and she'll benefit from penetration, but it was the only other ult execute my tired mind could come up with. A quick comparison vs a target with a max of 2,500 health with 80% missing who has 100 armour and 60 MR: Level 16 Riven with 21 offense masteries, 15 AD runes, hydra, last whisper and ghostblade will do 639 damage after resistances Level 16 Garen with 21 offense masteries will do 847 damage after resistances First of all, comparatively you're putting Garen at his strongest point and Riven at her weakest (at rank 1 Riven's ult will do basically the same amount of damage as Garen's). Secondly, Riven's ult is ranged, AoE and gives her other bonuses while it's active. The cooldown is also much lower, and it can scale beyond 3 items. A bloodthirster would bring it up to 819. While the scaling on Garen's ult isn't the worst, it's just garbage early. Insane cooldown, does magic damage for no apparent reason and doesn't even do very much damage. A rank 3 Lee Sin Q will do basically the same amount. Really though, my main issue is that it has such a long cooldown at rank 1. There's just nothing to warrant it. The only abilities with longer cooldowns are global ult's and Zilean's ult (which doesn't even count because he has rewind). Also, the fact that just a hexdrinker basically means that you have no ult until level 11 is stupid. I was doing it at 75%, where Riven's ult damage tiering caps out. Garens ult being magic damage ensures it does solid damage in lane so you don't waste the cooldown, since who buys MR when they lane against Garen? Maybe for Merc Treds, but that's about it.
It doesn't matter and no one cares.
You can't just compare two ultimates of two different champions in a vacuum. It's a fallacy and both of you should stop talking about it.
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On October 01 2014 00:11 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2014 23:59 Gahlo wrote:On September 30 2014 20:33 GolemMadness wrote:On September 30 2014 19:36 Gahlo wrote:On September 30 2014 19:24 GolemMadness wrote:
The thing that I don't understand about Garen is why his ult is so terrible. It's one of the worst executes, but at rank 1 it has like the 4th highest cooldown in the game? Instead of it being 160/120/80, why can't it just be 120/100/80? Joking, right? It's a strong execute and probably one of the strongest tank busting abilities in the game. Doing rough math, Riven's ult with a 3 offensive item core and max damage tier does 930 physical damage. On the same target, Garen's ult does the same amount of damage when their max health is 1350hp and does magic damage and continues to scale up from there. Granted, Riven's ult is in AOE and she'll benefit from penetration, but it was the only other ult execute my tired mind could come up with. A quick comparison vs a target with a max of 2,500 health with 80% missing who has 100 armour and 60 MR: Level 16 Riven with 21 offense masteries, 15 AD runes, hydra, last whisper and ghostblade will do 639 damage after resistances Level 16 Garen with 21 offense masteries will do 847 damage after resistances First of all, comparatively you're putting Garen at his strongest point and Riven at her weakest (at rank 1 Riven's ult will do basically the same amount of damage as Garen's). Secondly, Riven's ult is ranged, AoE and gives her other bonuses while it's active. The cooldown is also much lower, and it can scale beyond 3 items. A bloodthirster would bring it up to 819. While the scaling on Garen's ult isn't the worst, it's just garbage early. Insane cooldown, does magic damage for no apparent reason and doesn't even do very much damage. A rank 3 Lee Sin Q will do basically the same amount. Really though, my main issue is that it has such a long cooldown at rank 1. There's just nothing to warrant it. The only abilities with longer cooldowns are global ult's and Zilean's ult (which doesn't even count because he has rewind). Also, the fact that just a hexdrinker basically means that you have no ult until level 11 is stupid. I was doing it at 75%, where Riven's ult damage tiering caps out. Garens ult being magic damage ensures it does solid damage in lane so you don't waste the cooldown, since who buys MR when they lane against Garen? Maybe for Merc Treds, but that's about it. It doesn't matter and no one cares. You can't just compare two ultimates of two different champions in a vacuum. It's a fallacy and both of you should stop talking about it.
Nobody asked you to read the posts. Stop flamebaiting. The discussion isn't against the rules and you're not forced to take part in it.
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Honestly it's just strange why it supposedly even matters if an ult deals 600 or 800 or 50000 damage when 500 kills.
If you compare scenarios, compare ones where one ult kills and one doesn't.
Then of course logic, 2500 hp and 100 armor 60 mres at lvl 16 is unrealistic
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On October 01 2014 00:28 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2014 00:11 Sufficiency wrote:On September 30 2014 23:59 Gahlo wrote:On September 30 2014 20:33 GolemMadness wrote:On September 30 2014 19:36 Gahlo wrote:On September 30 2014 19:24 GolemMadness wrote:
The thing that I don't understand about Garen is why his ult is so terrible. It's one of the worst executes, but at rank 1 it has like the 4th highest cooldown in the game? Instead of it being 160/120/80, why can't it just be 120/100/80? Joking, right? It's a strong execute and probably one of the strongest tank busting abilities in the game. Doing rough math, Riven's ult with a 3 offensive item core and max damage tier does 930 physical damage. On the same target, Garen's ult does the same amount of damage when their max health is 1350hp and does magic damage and continues to scale up from there. Granted, Riven's ult is in AOE and she'll benefit from penetration, but it was the only other ult execute my tired mind could come up with. A quick comparison vs a target with a max of 2,500 health with 80% missing who has 100 armour and 60 MR: Level 16 Riven with 21 offense masteries, 15 AD runes, hydra, last whisper and ghostblade will do 639 damage after resistances Level 16 Garen with 21 offense masteries will do 847 damage after resistances First of all, comparatively you're putting Garen at his strongest point and Riven at her weakest (at rank 1 Riven's ult will do basically the same amount of damage as Garen's). Secondly, Riven's ult is ranged, AoE and gives her other bonuses while it's active. The cooldown is also much lower, and it can scale beyond 3 items. A bloodthirster would bring it up to 819. While the scaling on Garen's ult isn't the worst, it's just garbage early. Insane cooldown, does magic damage for no apparent reason and doesn't even do very much damage. A rank 3 Lee Sin Q will do basically the same amount. Really though, my main issue is that it has such a long cooldown at rank 1. There's just nothing to warrant it. The only abilities with longer cooldowns are global ult's and Zilean's ult (which doesn't even count because he has rewind). Also, the fact that just a hexdrinker basically means that you have no ult until level 11 is stupid. I was doing it at 75%, where Riven's ult damage tiering caps out. Garens ult being magic damage ensures it does solid damage in lane so you don't waste the cooldown, since who buys MR when they lane against Garen? Maybe for Merc Treds, but that's about it. It doesn't matter and no one cares. You can't just compare two ultimates of two different champions in a vacuum. It's a fallacy and both of you should stop talking about it. Nobody asked you to read the posts. Stop flamebaiting. The discussion isn't against the rules and you're not forced to take part in it.
I'd rather you didn't waste 5 pages of GD arguing about something that shouldn't be argued about.
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I'd love to see some data from worlds on what champs have been picked/banned.
Last year we had somebody with a list of exactly what had been played/banned in how many games. I want that again.
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France45622 Posts
On October 01 2014 00:11 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2014 23:59 Gahlo wrote:On September 30 2014 20:33 GolemMadness wrote:On September 30 2014 19:36 Gahlo wrote:On September 30 2014 19:24 GolemMadness wrote:
The thing that I don't understand about Garen is why his ult is so terrible. It's one of the worst executes, but at rank 1 it has like the 4th highest cooldown in the game? Instead of it being 160/120/80, why can't it just be 120/100/80? Joking, right? It's a strong execute and probably one of the strongest tank busting abilities in the game. Doing rough math, Riven's ult with a 3 offensive item core and max damage tier does 930 physical damage. On the same target, Garen's ult does the same amount of damage when their max health is 1350hp and does magic damage and continues to scale up from there. Granted, Riven's ult is in AOE and she'll benefit from penetration, but it was the only other ult execute my tired mind could come up with. A quick comparison vs a target with a max of 2,500 health with 80% missing who has 100 armour and 60 MR: Level 16 Riven with 21 offense masteries, 15 AD runes, hydra, last whisper and ghostblade will do 639 damage after resistances Level 16 Garen with 21 offense masteries will do 847 damage after resistances First of all, comparatively you're putting Garen at his strongest point and Riven at her weakest (at rank 1 Riven's ult will do basically the same amount of damage as Garen's). Secondly, Riven's ult is ranged, AoE and gives her other bonuses while it's active. The cooldown is also much lower, and it can scale beyond 3 items. A bloodthirster would bring it up to 819. While the scaling on Garen's ult isn't the worst, it's just garbage early. Insane cooldown, does magic damage for no apparent reason and doesn't even do very much damage. A rank 3 Lee Sin Q will do basically the same amount. Really though, my main issue is that it has such a long cooldown at rank 1. There's just nothing to warrant it. The only abilities with longer cooldowns are global ult's and Zilean's ult (which doesn't even count because he has rewind). Also, the fact that just a hexdrinker basically means that you have no ult until level 11 is stupid. I was doing it at 75%, where Riven's ult damage tiering caps out. Garens ult being magic damage ensures it does solid damage in lane so you don't waste the cooldown, since who buys MR when they lane against Garen? Maybe for Merc Treds, but that's about it. It doesn't matter and no one cares. You can't just compare two ultimates of two different champions in a vacuum. It's a fallacy and both of you should stop talking about it.
Hint: he doesn't compare in a vacuum, he's just saying it's not as bad damage-wise as people make it out to be.
Of course it's %missing HP so it deals a lot less damage to squishies (the champions usually targeted by executes, as most carries are squishies) than to tanky guys, but it's been said multiple times that Garen's ult has more value in its threat than as an actual execution on said squishies, and that he's a great tank buster too. He's not there to dive your Tristana, he's there to finish off the Maokai that tries to protect her while staying alive himself and paving the way for a follow-up.
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On September 30 2014 23:45 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2014 18:24 Goumindong wrote:On September 30 2014 16:19 Sufficiency wrote:On September 30 2014 16:10 Goumindong wrote:On September 30 2014 15:49 Sufficiency wrote:Here's something neat: In early September (September 3-6th), I mined almost every single NA player's soloQ ranking position. About 20 days later (September 23-25th), I did it again. The following picture are NA player who: 1. In early September (September 3-6th), had veteran status. 2. In late September (September 23-25th), jumped at least 7 tiers up (e.g. Bronze V to Silver IV) You can compare their old and new stats (grey vs. green columns). + Show Spoiler + That can't be all of them No but it's pretty close. That isn't very many given the number of players. I wonder how many make the jump earlier and then stopped playing. Because even if we are talking random chance with 1.3 million accounts you would expect a few people to get carried up in a short period of time. You used to be veteran (100 games played minimum) then jump 7 ranks in 20 days? It cannot happen randomly.
I was silver 1 for the majority of season 3(at least 100 games played i am certain). Late in august I took some good advise and I went from Silver 1 to Plat 3 in about half a month. It might have been longer than 20 days but it was def lower than a month.
Clearly not all of it was luck since I have maintained plat 5/4 (without playing as seriously) in Season 4
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On October 01 2014 01:03 Ketara wrote:
I'd love to see some data from worlds on what champs have been picked/banned.
Last year we had somebody with a list of exactly what had been played/banned in how many games. I want that again.
http://i.imgur.com/EJjxOCq.png
Have fun.
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Check the last few pages of the wc group stages thread. The only champion left that has a high chance of appearing in a 'standard' non-cheese teamcomp is nocturne as far as the people there are concerned
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United Kingdom50293 Posts
The cow rocking that 100% pick/ban. I wonder if it'll be that way for the whole tournament
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On October 01 2014 01:32 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2014 01:03 Ketara wrote:
I'd love to see some data from worlds on what champs have been picked/banned.
Last year we had somebody with a list of exactly what had been played/banned in how many games. I want that again. http://i.imgur.com/EJjxOCq.pngHave fun.
Why is it an image though...
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On October 01 2014 01:52 Alzadar wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2014 01:32 TheYango wrote:On October 01 2014 01:03 Ketara wrote:
I'd love to see some data from worlds on what champs have been picked/banned.
Last year we had somebody with a list of exactly what had been played/banned in how many games. I want that again. http://i.imgur.com/EJjxOCq.pngHave fun. Why is it an image though...
Because fuck data manipulation.
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On September 30 2014 22:31 kongoline wrote:
62% winrate rammus today, can it reach 70 ...
Any ideas why he went up like 7% winrate on a very very small QoL buff?
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When does season end, late November?
I think I'm going to make a push to get back to Diamond, going to lean on my OP as fuck Malzahar skills to carry me. Busted out Ryze yesterday after I lost a game against him, that champion is like riding a bike. 
I think I'll try to learn Irelia for S5, I like to mix up my pool in the new season.
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