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Profile Joined October 2009
United States1864 Posts
September 30 2014 19:04 GMT
#601
that's not really true
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
September 30 2014 19:09 GMT
#602
Oh god let's please not get into another data application debate.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Zess
Profile Joined July 2012
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
September 30 2014 19:11 GMT
#603
On October 01 2014 03:58 Ketara wrote:
Looking at data is never useless.

As long as you understand the limitations of the data you have, you can hopefully figure out something from it.

Google Flu ends up being a worse predictor of flu outbreaks than any other small data metric ever, I'd say that's pretty useless.

http://www.tylervigen.com/view_correlation?id=359

Also useless
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-30 19:24:13
September 30 2014 19:15 GMT
#604
Ketara the problem is that most of the time the data is presented in a way that is either unintentionally or deliberately sensational or misleading (your citing data the way you did is somewhat guilty of this)--which leads to readers misinterpreting data and having unproductive discourse based on that misinterpretation.

There's also the distinction that can be made between "useless" and "a waste of time".
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Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
September 30 2014 19:28 GMT
#605
You guys say things and all I seem to be able to read is "blah blah blah I whine about everything"
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
September 30 2014 19:28 GMT
#606
On October 01 2014 04:11 xes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 01 2014 03:58 Ketara wrote:
Looking at data is never useless.

As long as you understand the limitations of the data you have, you can hopefully figure out something from it.

Google Flu ends up being a worse predictor of flu outbreaks than any other small data metric ever, I'd say that's pretty useless.

http://www.tylervigen.com/view_correlation?id=359

Also useless

Data =! data analysis =! prediction algorithm.
liftlift > tsm
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
September 30 2014 19:30 GMT
#607
On October 01 2014 04:28 Ketara wrote:
You guys say things and all I seem to be able to read is "blah blah blah I whine about everything"

That's cuz I do whine about everything.

It's quite cathartic. You should try it sometime.
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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
September 30 2014 19:43 GMT
#608
On October 01 2014 04:28 Ketara wrote:
You guys say things and all I seem to be able to read is "blah blah blah I whine about everything"

Being critical of something is not the same as whining.
liftlift > tsm
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
September 30 2014 19:47 GMT
#609
On October 01 2014 04:43 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 01 2014 04:28 Ketara wrote:
You guys say things and all I seem to be able to read is "blah blah blah I whine about everything"

Being critical of something is not the same as whining.


Not always, but it can be.

And here it almost always is.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
Celial
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
2602 Posts
September 30 2014 19:55 GMT
#610
That thread is literally cancer. Both the SHC thing and the comments. http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/2hwbdo/supa_hot_crew_is_moving_to_mymand_sponsor_acer/
Do not regret. Always forward, never back.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
September 30 2014 19:59 GMT
#611
On October 01 2014 04:30 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 01 2014 04:28 Ketara wrote:
You guys say things and all I seem to be able to read is "blah blah blah I whine about everything"

That's cuz I do whine about everything.

It's quite cathartic. You should try it sometime.

And then you come and blame me for doing so? C'mon man, share the wealth. :<
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Celial
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
2602 Posts
September 30 2014 20:10 GMT
#612
Business as usual in liquidparty

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Do not regret. Always forward, never back.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35172 Posts
September 30 2014 20:11 GMT
#613
On October 01 2014 04:15 TheYango wrote:
Ketara the problem is that most of the time the data is presented in a way that is either unintentionally or deliberately sensational or misleading (your citing data the way you did is somewhat guilty of this)--which leads to readers misinterpreting data and having unproductive discourse based on that misinterpretation.

There's also the distinction that can be made between "useless" and "a waste of time".

I'm gonna have to quote Thorin quoting somebody else here. "Stats are like bikinis. What they reveal is enticing but what they conceal is essential."
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
September 30 2014 20:18 GMT
#614
On October 01 2014 05:10 Celial wrote:
Business as usual in liquidparty

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10/10 quality discussion.
liftlift > tsm
Zess
Profile Joined July 2012
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
September 30 2014 20:20 GMT
#615
On October 01 2014 04:28 Ketara wrote:
You guys say things and all I seem to be able to read is "blah blah blah I whine about everything"

As a mathematician my job is to rain on people's parades. It is less whining than saying "everything you do is less useful than you think it is" (including my stating of the aforementioned statement and the thereafter aknowledgement of it).

I can never hope to reach the same body of work as our resident economist or biostatistician however.
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iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
September 30 2014 20:36 GMT
#616
Man your life must be depressing. That probably means everything you do is less useful than you think it is too.

I use statistics much differently, usually more along the lines of meaningful life of mechanical equipment. Much less melancholy imo.
Zess
Profile Joined July 2012
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
September 30 2014 20:49 GMT
#617
On October 01 2014 05:36 iCanada wrote:
Man your life must be depressing. That probably means everything you do is less useful than you think it is too.

I use statistics much differently, usually more along the lines of meaningful life of mechanical equipment. Much less melancholy imo.

I shitpost on TL and get paid buckets of money while doing it so I'm pretty useless but no one has caught on yet shhhhhhh
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Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
September 30 2014 20:52 GMT
#618
On October 01 2014 05:49 xes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 01 2014 05:36 iCanada wrote:
Man your life must be depressing. That probably means everything you do is less useful than you think it is too.

I use statistics much differently, usually more along the lines of meaningful life of mechanical equipment. Much less melancholy imo.

I shitpost on TL and get paid buckets of money while doing it so I'm pretty useless but no one has caught on yet shhhhhhh


I used to have a job like that.

It's awesome.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
ketchup
Profile Joined August 2010
14521 Posts
October 01 2014 06:09 GMT
#619
Do people still use Curse Voice even though Riot are kinda unclear on if it is bannable or not? Is it worth using? I have been playing duo queue using TL's teamspeak, and it's been a lot more fun than not having any communication. The games also seem to go much better than my solo queue games just because I have that one person who is communicating information to me.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35172 Posts
October 01 2014 06:34 GMT
#620
On October 01 2014 15:09 ketchup wrote:
Do people still use Curse Voice even though Riot are kinda unclear on if it is bannable or not? Is it worth using? I have been playing duo queue using TL's teamspeak, and it's been a lot more fun than not having any communication. The games also seem to go much better than my solo queue games just because I have that one person who is communicating information to me.

Riot has said they don't want people using it, even without the timers, because it interacts with their interface which goes against their policy.
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