EPT[Patch 4.17] Soraka/Viktor General Discussion - Page 28
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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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schmutttt
Australia3856 Posts
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Goumindong
United States3529 Posts
That isn't very many given the number of players. I wonder how many make the jump earlier and then stopped playing. Because even if we are talking random chance with 1.3 million accounts you would expect a few people to get carried up in a short period of time. | ||
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M2
Bulgaria4116 Posts
On September 30 2014 17:18 krndandaman wrote: do you know why that is? i see no reason to play on NA server when you got that bomb ass ping in china. also as an adc I seem to be really bad vs nami supports. for some reason whenever I face a nami I always get outtraded so i just play far back. even if they fuck up and lose a trade nami sustain is ridiculous. any tips against nami or is she just broken right now Tips against Nami are dependent a lot on what support you have, what adc she supports and what adc you play, so its not so straight. Basically if you also have a sustain support with you (Sona, Soraka) then Nami cannot out-trade you unless you are getting caught by a bubble and their adc is an all in shit like Jinx, Draven , then you may lose a lot of health, but still if you dont die your sustain will come back at some point. Nami doesnt have a reliable engage (e.g. Leona) to do this on demand. So in such case just avoid the bubbles. If you have an all in support (Thresh, Leona, perhaps Braum) then better go on Nami while her adc is still on doran and you better be a heavy lane damage adc (Lucian, Corki, Draven etc.) When you both come in lane with BF then you have to jump on the adc, Nami won''t have enough power at that point to win an all in trade and her mana will dry fast if she maxed heal, so she cannot cover few all ins in a row on her adc. If you have an all in support with you and you are farming adc like kog, trist, then you rely on jungle to come | ||
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Kingkosi
United States1215 Posts
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justiceknight
Singapore5741 Posts
On September 30 2014 18:40 Kingkosi wrote: So, how good is Garen right now? still a troll pick, even poppy is better than him | ||
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Jek
Denmark2771 Posts
On September 30 2014 17:18 krndandaman wrote: also as an adc I seem to be really bad vs nami supports. for some reason whenever I face a nami I always get outtraded so i just play far back. even if they fuck up and lose a trade nami sustain is ridiculous. any tips against nami or is she just broken right now It's mostly on your support's back to help you versus Nami's very strong early game trading, if you don't dare to trust in your partner champions like Lucian and Graves that can easily avoid her bubble and got great early game power too are your best bet. | ||
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jaymik
Korea (South)425 Posts
On September 30 2014 16:32 krndandaman wrote: so basically that chart shows either A) elo boosted accounts or B) people who somehow improved all of a sudden it'd be pretty easy to check who actually got eloboosted I imagine. also am I the only one who noticed that NA has so many chinese players? especially at this time at night. For the last 3 games I had on average around 5-7 players other than myself in the game that were speaking chinese. in my last game I was the only non-chinese player lol. i always meet a lot of japanese players durin this time | ||
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M2
Bulgaria4116 Posts
On September 30 2014 18:40 Kingkosi wrote: So, how good is Garen right now? I always thought Garen is stronger than people consider him. But most people do not understand that he is an offensive top laner such as Aatrox, Riven etc. and people try to play him as a tank which makes him pretty bad. He needs to start with 2, 2 and half offensive items and you cannot imagine how much damage he puts into the team fight. I mean he doesnt have reliable engage like the examples I gave (riven, aatrox, irelia ) but if you have someone to start the fight and you manage to put offensive garen inside, it hurts them so much you can''t imagine. Of course you have to add some defensive items - Randium, Banshee, but Garen is a damage maker. So play some games with Garen starting with any combination of Black Cleaver Infinity Ghostblade, Statishiv, and come back to tell me how bad he is:-) | ||
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Capped
United Kingdom7236 Posts
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35147 Posts
On September 30 2014 19:24 GolemMadness wrote: The thing that I don't understand about Garen is why his ult is so terrible. It's one of the worst executes, but at rank 1 it has like the 4th highest cooldown in the game? Instead of it being 160/120/80, why can't it just be 120/100/80? Joking, right? It's a strong execute and probably one of the strongest tank busting abilities in the game. Doing rough math, Riven's ult with a 3 offensive item core and max damage tier does 930 physical damage. On the same target, Garen's ult does the same amount of damage when their max health is 1350hp and does magic damage and continues to scale up from there. Granted, Riven's ult is in AOE and she'll benefit from penetration, but it was the only other ult execute my tired mind could come up with. | ||
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kongoline
6318 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
I mathed out a level 16 Shyvana with something like 3k HP and 150+ MR would die to Garen's ult once she reached 650 HP or something like that. Considering he doesn't build penetration and just rides off the ability non-scaling damage, it's pretty good, uh. Plus it's not like Garen scales well. He won't auto much, and crit does jack shit for his damage (E crits? Nope, the ratio part of E can crit, so it's not nearly as interesting), E's cooldown starts once you finish spinning so CDR is bad on him too (offensively; defensively it still benefits W, and gives him more mobility through Q), and his ratios are total AD ratios. Urgot keeps doing damage because he has Muramana, can wreck your armour and has Q to weave between his autos (or the reverse), otherwise ability-based champions with total AD ratios are typically strong early (more like early midgame for Garen because E sucks really hard early, needs level in it to boost the ratio) but then taper off compared to bonus AD ratios. | ||
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Fuzzmosis
Canada752 Posts
Last few games, time and time again, I'm dying inside Alpha strike. Renekton and Azir both manage to do plenty of damage. It's very weird to have it on cooldown while dead. Azir was the stranger case, it seemed I took bonus damage while Alphaing him, as I'd come out of the strike and die, and he wouldn't take damage, even if I started at reasonable HP. | ||
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
On September 30 2014 19:36 Gahlo wrote: Joking, right? It's a strong execute and probably one of the strongest tank busting abilities in the game. Doing rough math, Riven's ult with a 3 offensive item core and max damage tier does 930 physical damage. On the same target, Garen's ult does the same amount of damage when their max health is 1350hp and does magic damage and continues to scale up from there. Granted, Riven's ult is in AOE and she'll benefit from penetration, but it was the only other ult execute my tired mind could come up with. A quick comparison vs a target with a max of 2,500 health with 80% missing who has 100 armour and 60 MR: Level 16 Riven with 21 offense masteries, 15 AD runes, hydra, last whisper and ghostblade will do 639 damage after resistances Level 16 Garen with 21 offense masteries will do 847 damage after resistances First of all, comparatively you're putting Garen at his strongest point and Riven at her weakest (at rank 1 Riven's ult will do basically the same amount of damage as Garen's). Secondly, Riven's ult is ranged, AoE and gives her other bonuses while it's active. The cooldown is also much lower, and it can scale beyond 3 items. A bloodthirster would bring it up to 819. While the scaling on Garen's ult isn't the worst, it's just garbage early. Insane cooldown, does magic damage for no apparent reason and doesn't even do very much damage. A rank 3 Lee Sin Q will do basically the same amount. Really though, my main issue is that it has such a long cooldown at rank 1. There's just nothing to warrant it. The only abilities with longer cooldowns are global ult's and Zilean's ult (which doesn't even count because he has rewind). Also, the fact that just a hexdrinker basically means that you have no ult until level 11 is stupid. | ||
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Prog
United Kingdom1470 Posts
On September 30 2014 19:15 M2 wrote: I always thought Garen is stronger than people consider him. But most people do not understand that he is an offensive top laner such as Aatrox, Riven etc. and people try to play him as a tank which makes him pretty bad. He needs to start with 2, 2 and half offensive items and you cannot imagine how much damage he puts into the team fight. I mean he doesnt have reliable engage like the examples I gave (riven, aatrox, irelia ) but if you have someone to start the fight and you manage to put offensive garen inside, it hurts them so much you can''t imagine. Of course you have to add some defensive items - Randium, Banshee, but Garen is a damage maker. So play some games with Garen starting with any combination of Black Cleaver Infinity Ghostblade, Statishiv, and come back to tell me how bad he is:-) Those offensive items seem pretty bad to me. I'd rather go for Hexdrinker and Last Whisper and rest being (usually) tank. Slayer91 also did some calculations why Last Whisper is pretty much the best offensive item for Garen somewhere in the strategy thread on Garen if I remember correctly. | ||
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schmutttt
Australia3856 Posts
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Jek
Denmark2771 Posts
On September 30 2014 20:06 Fuzzmosis wrote: Did Yi lose the untargetable on his Alpha? I'm taking AOE damage while using it. Last few games, time and time again, I'm dying inside Alpha strike. Renekton and Azir both manage to do plenty of damage. It's very weird to have it on cooldown while dead. Azir was the stranger case, it seemed I took bonus damage while Alphaing him, as I'd come out of the strike and die, and he wouldn't take damage, even if I started at reasonable HP. You become untargetable not invulnerable. Been like this for a long long time. | ||
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kongoline
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