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Lmui
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada6223 Posts
September 29 2014 18:58 GMT
#481
Nope alistar nerfs aren't in worlds which is why we see him picked/banned all the time.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
September 29 2014 19:06 GMT
#482
On September 30 2014 03:35 Lonyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2014 01:11 Mikau wrote:
On September 29 2014 23:48 Gahlo wrote:
First time I've been on League in near 10 days. Weird how things look so odd when I know it's all the same.

So, Nidalee, wrecked or not? I'm looking to pick up another top laner for yoloq.

Currently most FotM tops (Maokai, Nidalee, Alistar) are all ban/first pick worthy. Maybe Alistar not so much anymore after the Headbutt/auto nerf.

Were Alistar nerfs in effect for Worlds? He was banned pretty much every game.

Worlds is played on 4.14.
Osmoses
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Sweden5302 Posts
September 29 2014 19:22 GMT
#483
it seems Lolking just launched a brand new replay database. It's pretty nice, I could search for pretty obscure stuff and still get results.
Excuse me hun, but what is your name? Vivian? I woke up next to you naked and, uh, did we, um?
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
September 29 2014 19:37 GMT
#484
Just counter pick Mao with Garen. That tree will be sad as fuck.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
September 29 2014 20:08 GMT
#485
Or Rumble. Or Darius. Or pretty much anything.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Alzadar
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada5009 Posts
September 29 2014 20:28 GMT
#486
You think Garen is a counter pick? It seemed a like a good match-up to me but not really heavily in favour. Might be a good MU to run Ignite.
I am the Town Medic.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
September 29 2014 21:01 GMT
#487
So was playing AD Fizz in jangle, in a normal game. Just messing around. Pretty irked that there aren't any big CDR items for AD characters.
liftlift > tsm
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
September 29 2014 21:02 GMT
#488
The tree can't get close to creeps early game, can only cs with saplings, but he'll have a really low conversion rate and push into you hard in that scenario. Any time he wants to last hit early he is going to eat auto-Q-autos. That happens twice and he has to leave lane or you kill him, meanwhile you make him lose all that xp and gold at his tower.

It's a real safe lane that you can freeze hard as soon as you hit 2. Mao basically needs jungle pressure otherwise he is up shit creek without a paddle. You out trade him hard, have lower cds, don't have to auto for sustain, and have significantly stronger early game item timings. In the time he is getting roa you're getting huge power spikes in bruta and hexdrinker.

Then after those two items you can just get tanky for fights. Bring like locket to first big teamfight while he has basically uhh unstackes Rod of Ages.

I've never lost to a Tree on Garen. You become raid boss status easily in that matchup.
Alzadar
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada5009 Posts
September 29 2014 21:07 GMT
#489
Are people doing Locket on bruisers again? I've been somewhat out of the loop for awhile.
I am the Town Medic.
Bam Lee
Profile Joined June 2012
2336 Posts
September 29 2014 21:09 GMT
#490
On September 30 2014 02:49 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2014 02:45 kongoline wrote:
On September 30 2014 02:31 wei2coolman wrote:
On September 30 2014 01:54 kongoline wrote:
On September 30 2014 01:11 Mikau wrote:
On September 29 2014 23:48 Gahlo wrote:
First time I've been on League in near 10 days. Weird how things look so odd when I know it's all the same.

So, Nidalee, wrecked or not? I'm looking to pick up another top laner for yoloq.

Currently most FotM tops (Maokai, Nidalee, Alistar) are all ban/first pick worthy. Maybe Alistar not so much anymore after the Headbutt/auto nerf.

i feel like right now its all about ryze, rumble and irelia
mao is perma banned and i rarely see alistar top since the nerf

rumble more of a competitive pick imo.

are you implaying he isnt good in soloQ? he might not be popular on west yet but hes slowly working for his fotm status (korea high elo soloQ hes pick ban every game right now)
also lol @rammus 60% winrate last few days

I don't think Rumble is that great in soloq. He's just infinitely better in coordinated group play. He might be good enough to enjoy decent winrate in soloq, but there are better champs that can completely take over a soloq game.

lol fcking shook,+ Show Spoiler +
can't even get out of groups, but still manages to fucking terrorize soloq with this shit.


Of course he is better in coordinated that can utilize his ult properly. But there is hardly a top lane atm that can force fights as well as rumble and who hit a spike THAT early. If you are somewhat decent at hitting equalizers you can just wreck people no matter how farmed you are or hard you have been camped in top lane. I believe his winrate in korea is also pretty high in soloq
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
September 29 2014 21:10 GMT
#491
On September 30 2014 06:07 Alzadar wrote:
Are people doing Locket on bruisers again? I've been somewhat out of the loop for awhile.

I've only seen it on junglers.
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
September 29 2014 21:15 GMT
#492
On September 30 2014 06:07 Alzadar wrote:
Are people doing Locket on bruisers again? I've been somewhat out of the loop for awhile.


I do it on Garen a lot, I dunno if it actually popular. I just think it really strong on him with his steroids, especially when they have ap tops.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-29 21:18:32
September 29 2014 21:15 GMT
#493
On September 30 2014 06:09 Bam Lee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2014 02:49 wei2coolman wrote:
On September 30 2014 02:45 kongoline wrote:
On September 30 2014 02:31 wei2coolman wrote:
On September 30 2014 01:54 kongoline wrote:
On September 30 2014 01:11 Mikau wrote:
On September 29 2014 23:48 Gahlo wrote:
First time I've been on League in near 10 days. Weird how things look so odd when I know it's all the same.

So, Nidalee, wrecked or not? I'm looking to pick up another top laner for yoloq.

Currently most FotM tops (Maokai, Nidalee, Alistar) are all ban/first pick worthy. Maybe Alistar not so much anymore after the Headbutt/auto nerf.

i feel like right now its all about ryze, rumble and irelia
mao is perma banned and i rarely see alistar top since the nerf

rumble more of a competitive pick imo.

are you implaying he isnt good in soloQ? he might not be popular on west yet but hes slowly working for his fotm status (korea high elo soloQ hes pick ban every game right now)
also lol @rammus 60% winrate last few days

I don't think Rumble is that great in soloq. He's just infinitely better in coordinated group play. He might be good enough to enjoy decent winrate in soloq, but there are better champs that can completely take over a soloq game.

lol fcking shook,+ Show Spoiler +
can't even get out of groups, but still manages to fucking terrorize soloq with this shit.


Of course he is better in coordinated that can utilize his ult properly. But there is hardly a top lane atm that can force fights as well as rumble and who hit a spike THAT early. If you are somewhat decent at hitting equalizers you can just wreck people no matter how farmed you are or hard you have been camped in top lane. I believe his winrate in korea is also pretty high in soloq

He only has a few good matchups though imo, look at his winrate matchups in lolking for diamond. He's like <50% winrate in ton of matchups in soloq.

The only matchups he wins >50% are Jax, Rengar, and Renekton.

I don't think Rumble is even that good at forcing fights, or initiating it. He's much better at following up hard initiation, or disengage.
liftlift > tsm
Alzadar
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada5009 Posts
September 29 2014 21:19 GMT
#494
On September 30 2014 06:15 iCanada wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2014 06:07 Alzadar wrote:
Are people doing Locket on bruisers again? I've been somewhat out of the loop for awhile.


I do it on Garen a lot, I dunno if it actually popular. I just think it really strong on him with his steroids, especially when they have ap tops.


Garen's steroids are all neutral though - meaning that they don't cause you to favor resists or health, unlike for example Rammus.
I am the Town Medic.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
September 29 2014 21:22 GMT
#495
On September 30 2014 06:15 iCanada wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2014 06:07 Alzadar wrote:
Are people doing Locket on bruisers again? I've been somewhat out of the loop for awhile.


I do it on Garen a lot, I dunno if it actually popular. I just think it really strong on him with his steroids, especially when they have ap tops.

But... you can get spirit visage instead... CDR+increased heal, why locket over that?
liftlift > tsm
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-29 21:30:18
September 29 2014 21:23 GMT
#496
On September 30 2014 06:19 Alzadar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2014 06:15 iCanada wrote:
On September 30 2014 06:07 Alzadar wrote:
Are people doing Locket on bruisers again? I've been somewhat out of the loop for awhile.


I do it on Garen a lot, I dunno if it actually popular. I just think it really strong on him with his steroids, especially when they have ap tops.


Garen's steroids are all neutral though - meaning that they don't cause you to favor resists or health, unlike for example Rammus.


Was more stating that you can get away with the less raw personal stats on locket compared to say BV or SV due to garen steroids.

On September 30 2014 06:22 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2014 06:15 iCanada wrote:
On September 30 2014 06:07 Alzadar wrote:
Are people doing Locket on bruisers again? I've been somewhat out of the loop for awhile.


I do it on Garen a lot, I dunno if it actually popular. I just think it really strong on him with his steroids, especially when they have ap tops.

But... you can get spirit visage instead... CDR+increased heal, why locket over that?


Because locket wins team fights better than SV, and most comps now a days are pretty AP heavy.

I'd rather shield 500 damage give my team mr than use E again a second sooner.
Frolossus
Profile Joined February 2010
United States4779 Posts
September 29 2014 21:30 GMT
#497
On September 30 2014 06:07 Alzadar wrote:
Are people doing Locket on bruisers again? I've been somewhat out of the loop for awhile.

locket is back in the game?
Complete
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1864 Posts
September 29 2014 21:33 GMT
#498
its aegis
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
September 29 2014 21:54 GMT
#499
I also am really conscious of just being too tanky and being ignored because you do no damage. There's a fine line between raid boss and practice dummy from smash.
Zess
Profile Joined July 2012
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
September 29 2014 22:10 GMT
#500
On September 30 2014 06:54 iCanada wrote:
I also am really conscious of just being too tanky and being ignored because you do no damage. There's a fine line between raid boss and practice dummy from smash.

Garen literally always does damage.
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