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Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
September 21 2014 05:39 GMT
#1601
Azir bot lane was pretty rough. He can poke pretty good, but he is constraint on mana.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
schmutttt
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia3856 Posts
September 21 2014 06:00 GMT
#1602
So I played rumble vs jax (I don't rate myself on Rumble) and destroyed him, is this indicative of the matchup or was the jax just more terrible than me?
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
September 21 2014 06:11 GMT
#1603
On September 21 2014 15:00 schmutttt wrote:
So I played rumble vs jax (I don't rate myself on Rumble) and destroyed him, is this indicative of the matchup or was the jax just more terrible than me?

It's indicative of you being a douchebag and playing Rumble.

Nah, that should be a winning matchup for Rumble as far as I know. Jax will have an impossible time farming early levels. I think post 6, if Jax didn't get shit on, it becomes harder for Rumble.
liftlift > tsm
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
September 21 2014 07:10 GMT
#1604
So has anyone been successful flashing a knockup with azir? i've tried it a few times but never succeeded and i dunno if im just aiming it wrong or timing it wrong or its not possible. anyone flash mid E and get the knockup successfully? like gragas flashing mid body slam and shen mid taunt?
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
September 21 2014 07:43 GMT
#1605
Probably the best name I see in solo queue is "GoingAsheToMalph"
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35150 Posts
September 21 2014 08:49 GMT
#1606
On September 21 2014 14:30 krndandaman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2014 14:27 wei2coolman wrote:
On September 21 2014 13:32 cLutZ wrote:
On September 21 2014 10:45 wei2coolman wrote:
On September 21 2014 10:26 kongoline wrote:
why nobody plays IE/Shyv on ezreal, i always feel trinity 1st is a lot weaker than IE and shyv would help him with wave clear and make his midgame power spike stronger

because if you're going to build damage, then you should just play lucian/tristana/kogmaw/etc.

Also BotRK 1st item Ez is also a thing, so there's that too.


I actually dont know why no one builds TF on lucian anymore. You really dont need the waveclear from Shiv. I suppose part of it is IE + TF is just breaking the bank, but it is still situationally really powerful.

Cuz fucking crit is amazing on Lucian.


^
dat passive

trinity force lucian was good before the BT change since you had a huge power spike once you got TF but you can't do that now. IE>TF comes way too late. needing another 1.2k gold for TF over shiv is just not worth it.

His passive shot never benefited from Sheen.
jaybrundage
Profile Joined December 2009
United States3921 Posts
September 21 2014 08:51 GMT
#1607
On September 21 2014 16:43 GolemMadness wrote:
Probably the best name I see in solo queue is "GoingAsheToMalph"

A good name I saw while not league related is ButtDagger

I don't even know....
The more you sweat in training, the less you bleed in battle.
Goumindong
Profile Joined February 2013
United States3529 Posts
September 21 2014 08:54 GMT
#1608
On September 21 2014 16:10 PrinceXizor wrote:
So has anyone been successful flashing a knockup with azir? i've tried it a few times but never succeeded and i dunno if im just aiming it wrong or timing it wrong or its not possible. anyone flash mid E and get the knockup successfully? like gragas flashing mid body slam and shen mid taunt?


I don't think it works because as soon as you flash you're no longer being pulled to your sand soldier. It would be like flashing in the middle of a jarvan flag and drag and expecting it to work (which iirc it does not)
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-21 09:27:54
September 21 2014 09:26 GMT
#1609
On September 21 2014 17:54 Goumindong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2014 16:10 PrinceXizor wrote:
So has anyone been successful flashing a knockup with azir? i've tried it a few times but never succeeded and i dunno if im just aiming it wrong or timing it wrong or its not possible. anyone flash mid E and get the knockup successfully? like gragas flashing mid body slam and shen mid taunt?


I don't think it works because as soon as you flash you're no longer being pulled to your sand soldier. It would be like flashing in the middle of a jarvan flag and drag and expecting it to work (which iirc it does not)

Actually the j4 thing works.

+ Show Spoiler +
JazzVortical
Profile Joined July 2013
Australia1825 Posts
September 21 2014 09:46 GMT
#1610
So I saw a potential use for Azir - he started top and just pushed. All game. Never team fought a single time. Just kept rotating between lanes, pushing the hell out of them. He didn't have a positive KDA, but he took every tower and inhib on the map.

Probably could've worked with any decent split push champ (it is solo queue), but he did it with Azir.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
September 21 2014 10:01 GMT
#1611
On September 21 2014 14:27 krndandaman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2014 12:49 kongoline wrote:
On September 21 2014 12:39 krndandaman wrote:
On September 21 2014 12:22 JazzVortical wrote:
On September 21 2014 08:33 kongoline wrote:
On September 21 2014 08:18 nafta wrote:
On September 21 2014 08:16 JazzVortical wrote:
On September 21 2014 07:54 krndandaman wrote:
although my experience with azir has been pretty underwhelming (I have yet to see an azir in ranked win) I do think he'll be rather good once people actually learn to play him well.

also I'm rather happy with the spot zilean is in atm. he's not in OP territory but he's also a very strong pick. I remember the days people would bitch at me for picking zilean lol. anyone know if he's going to get nerfed or reworked? Haven't really heard much talk about zilean in terms of nerfs. also morg snare is still bullshit.

He's super popular in picks and bans at Worlds at the moment, so prepare for nerfs.

Before he became popular, Riot was talking about reworking him.

Riot was talking about how they want to remove global passives since they did it for tf and zilean still has his.It is just a load of crap.

didnt they talk about it in the context zil is going to have his removed too

They also brought up the 'problem' of him only having one damage skill, and that being frustrating to play against because it is so powerful.


thats such bs. zilean hasn't been changed for so long and now people are starting to complain about him. i do think a rework would be nice to make him more 'modern' but no nerfs pls. its not even like tristana where all her counters got nerfed.

zilean didnt change but game around him has, if u havent noticed game is totally different compared to s2


i've played zilean since s3. ive been called a troll until faker played zilean. imo mid zil became strong once the tank meta died out. support zil has always been ok imo but got a little better once the lane bullies got nerfed.

On the contrary, Zilean's ult is powerful versus few damage threats (because there's less damage to expand across the team to kill someone) and versus assassins (because it "burns" the damage from a champion in particular).

There's still a "tank meta", cf. top lane, unless you run something like Lulu offlane, and even then a shield comp is akin to a tank. The most important part is IE's comeback, same as in s2, it puts the focus on the marksman again.

On September 21 2014 15:11 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2014 15:00 schmutttt wrote:
So I played rumble vs jax (I don't rate myself on Rumble) and destroyed him, is this indicative of the matchup or was the jax just more terrible than me?

It's indicative of you being a douchebag and playing Rumble.

Nah, that should be a winning matchup for Rumble as far as I know. Jax will have an impossible time farming early levels. I think post 6, if Jax didn't get shit on, it becomes harder for Rumble.

Rumble was always strong versus Jax, Phage change awhile ago made it worse (because of the slow+MS buff Rumble has), and Jax getting shat on his base HP recently (and the change to dblade sustain) made it even worse.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Celial
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
2602 Posts
September 21 2014 11:50 GMT
#1612
On September 21 2014 18:46 JazzVortical wrote:
So I saw a potential use for Azir - he started top and just pushed. All game. Never team fought a single time. Just kept rotating between lanes, pushing the hell out of them. He didn't have a positive KDA, but he took every tower and inhib on the map.

Probably could've worked with any decent split push champ (it is solo queue), but he did it with Azir.


Were you by any chance watching TRM stream? Dude is living proof that you can get challenge(d)r by never fighting and never stop pushing.
Do not regret. Always forward, never back.
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
September 21 2014 12:31 GMT
#1613
On September 21 2014 20:50 Celial wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2014 18:46 JazzVortical wrote:
So I saw a potential use for Azir - he started top and just pushed. All game. Never team fought a single time. Just kept rotating between lanes, pushing the hell out of them. He didn't have a positive KDA, but he took every tower and inhib on the map.

Probably could've worked with any decent split push champ (it is solo queue), but he did it with Azir.


Were you by any chance watching TRM stream? Dude is living proof that you can get challenge(d)r by never fighting and never stop pushing.


The Rain Man is no where near challenger...
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
September 21 2014 14:18 GMT
#1614
On September 21 2014 18:46 JazzVortical wrote:
So I saw a potential use for Azir - he started top and just pushed. All game. Never team fought a single time. Just kept rotating between lanes, pushing the hell out of them. He didn't have a positive KDA, but he took every tower and inhib on the map.

Probably could've worked with any decent split push champ (it is solo queue), but he did it with Azir.


I think this is the best way to play him right now.

I don't think he's as good at it as other always split push champs though.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
September 21 2014 15:17 GMT
#1615
You know what I want to try? Azir Heimerdinger duo cheese lane. Always push towers never not push towers.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
ItsFunToLose
Profile Joined December 2010
United States776 Posts
September 21 2014 15:43 GMT
#1616
azir, heimer, zyra, malz, yorick. someone rush banner of command, and as soon as it's complete, group mid as 5 and never stop. yes means yes.
"skillshots are inherently out of your control whether they hit or not" -PrinceXizor
M2
Profile Joined December 2002
Bulgaria4116 Posts
September 21 2014 17:50 GMT
#1617
Whats with this AP Top meta in worlds, literally all top champs are AP: Maokai, Ryze, Lulu, Kayle, Rumble, Swain, even Alistar and Nidalee are at least hybrid damage and naturally their damage scales with AP. I think Irelia is the only full ad top that I saw there.
Knife kitty, night kitty, put you on a slab. Stealthy kitty, hunter kitty, stab stab stab :-)
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35150 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-21 17:54:25
September 21 2014 17:52 GMT
#1618
On September 22 2014 02:50 M2 wrote:
Whats with this AP Top meta in worlds, literally all top champs are AP: Maokai, Ryze, Lulu, Kayle, Rumble, Swain, even Alistar and Nidalee are at least hybrid damage and naturally their damage scales with AP. I think Irelia is the only full ad top that I saw there.

Last non Irelia AD top I remember seeing a lot of play was Renekton. They've been in a bad state for a long time. Because of their weaker turret taking power, APs seem to get a lot more utility in their kits. As a result they can seem to force the ADs away from being effective.

Not to mention non-tank defencive AD itemization is awful.
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
September 21 2014 17:54 GMT
#1619
Saying Irelia is an AD champ isn't exactly accurate anyway.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
ArchAngelSC
Profile Joined April 2012
England706 Posts
September 21 2014 17:54 GMT
#1620
On September 22 2014 00:43 ItsFunToLose wrote:
azir, heimer, zyra, malz, yorick. someone rush banner of command, and as soon as it's complete, group mid as 5 and never stop. yes means yes.

It's all fun and games until you run in to lulu ziggs kha'zix cait soraka team comp
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