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On September 18 2014 16:23 739 wrote:So Riot enabled Championship Thresh in the shop, because of the Worlds, I thought that Ranked Awards (skins) should be not purchaseable? When asked about Championship Riven and why didn't return with Championship Thresh, Triggs confirmed she is not coming back: Show nested quote +"Champ Riven is a limited skin and won't be brought back at this time. Champ thresh was legacy." Ok....
Championship skins are for the world championship, not for ranked rewards. Victorious skins are ranked rewards.
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On September 18 2014 16:42 GolemMadness wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2014 16:23 739 wrote:So Riot enabled Championship Thresh in the shop, because of the Worlds, I thought that Ranked Awards (skins) should be not purchaseable? When asked about Championship Riven and why didn't return with Championship Thresh, Triggs confirmed she is not coming back: "Champ Riven is a limited skin and won't be brought back at this time. Champ thresh was legacy." Ok.... Championship skins are for the world championship, not for ranked rewards. Victorious skins are ranked rewards.
T_T damn, you're right, I've mistaked Victorious and Championship skins, my bad, lol.
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On September 18 2014 16:05 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2014 16:01 PrinceXizor wrote:On September 18 2014 15:57 wei2coolman wrote:
What's the point of going Zephyr+Morello when you get everything you really need out of Nashors. zephyr gives movespeed which is pretty important for maximizing his range and minimizing the window you are most vulnerable (right after an aggressive Q), the tenacity is also huge for azir. morello gives some of the regen you need, and is a much better power spike upon completion than nashors is. too slot inefficient imo. I wouldn't be surprised if regular athene's->dcap->void is best build on him still.
the break point is 1 attack a second really, you can reach that through 50% attack speed in items (stinger and its items) or from berserker greaves and runes/masteries. and of course cdr. once you hit that and 40% cdr he feels real nice to play and you can start making plays.
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On September 18 2014 16:11 iCanada wrote:
Why wouldn't you just go Nashors Rylai Void staff? You lose far more damage to mitigation than you do to crowd control and you also don't waste 900 gold on mana, and 875 gold on AD which is a non multiplicatively scaling stat on Azir. With double drings, when you finish void you have 320 ap, the on hit 15% of that is greater than the AD you get from the pick axe by a factor of three and is helped by the penetration from void staff. Much more gold efficient.
Just buy merc treads if you want tenacity that bad, imo.
And Jazz, normally I'd agree but I was like 8k gold ahead of Malz, four levels, and had 150 mr, 110 after penetration. I built tanky stuff and he had no items.
You still shouldn't be surprised. It's his whole deal and he's pretty much the best in the game at taking out a single target, even when behind.
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On September 18 2014 17:18 JazzVortical wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2014 16:11 iCanada wrote:
Why wouldn't you just go Nashors Rylai Void staff? You lose far more damage to mitigation than you do to crowd control and you also don't waste 900 gold on mana, and 875 gold on AD which is a non multiplicatively scaling stat on Azir. With double drings, when you finish void you have 320 ap, the on hit 15% of that is greater than the AD you get from the pick axe by a factor of three and is helped by the penetration from void staff. Much more gold efficient.
Just buy merc treads if you want tenacity that bad, imo.
And Jazz, normally I'd agree but I was like 8k gold ahead of Malz, four levels, and had 150 mr, 110 after penetration. I built tanky stuff and he had no items. You still shouldn't be surprised. It's his whole deal and he's pretty much the best in the game at taking out a single target, even when behind.
I dunno. I find it hard to 1 shot a tanky target even as malz. There was probably help. Besides his W Malz doesn't have that much more damage to tanks than a regular burst mage and even if you stand in the full duration it shouldn't kill you, esp at early levels since Malz maxes it last.
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Azir's soldiers don't apply on-hits like Nashor's Tooth's, and Azir himself nevers attacks when he has soldiers in range, even if he's in range himself, only his soldiers do, so really Nashor's is only about the slot, for whatever else, there are better items to use the combined cost on.
On September 18 2014 16:08 miicah wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2014 09:07 RagequitBM wrote:
How so many liked the Vi song, and don't like this one is beyond me. The Vi song was even more generic pop rock. The Vi song sucked dick. Or maybe that was the Jinx one.
Eh, Vi song was fine for what it did. Vi's not a super edgy and incredible character, she's just playing on the stereotype of the brash punk girl, with added hextech fists because power glove. Her theme song was pretty archetypal of the radio "punk" song too, which fit the bill.
I didn't find it good in itself, but I liked it because I found it fitting for what they were going for.
Also it was the first time they got someone outside Riot to work for them like that (namely Nicki Taylor; stuff like Diana's song and Howling Abyss' chorus are sung by Rioters), which was nice.
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I miss LocoxMontecristo. I wonder what made Loco such a salty boy. I guess I missed it
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On September 18 2014 18:38 RagequitBM wrote:I miss LocoxMontecristo. I wonder what made Loco such a salty boy. I guess I missed it
He's an emo kid and his boss who he's constantly around hates Monte so yea he's quick to change opinion. Sure Monte shit talked TSM on SI but a friendship shouldn't be that easy to make a 180 on since well he didn't personally insult his friend loco at all to my knowledge. Loco unable to separate the entity he works for and his personal relationships or he's just quick to change his opinion when he's around Regi.
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Pootie too good!4331 Posts
TSM turned it the fuck up during playoffs?
They got their shit together when it mattered?
They made Worlds for a 4th straight time?
Weird.
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They're about to play their first game of Worlds to against Svenskeren-less SK. But considering how EDG played (and Samsung White is Samsung White) they prob won't make it out of groups this year either.
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On September 18 2014 19:49 Alaric wrote:
They're about to play their first game of Worlds to against Svenskeren-less SK. But considering how EDG played (and Samsung White is Samsung White) they prob won't make it out of groups this year either.
TSM is in another group with a TPA, SHRC, SK. It is a bit weird how they jumping around the groups with games.
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Before one could observe high diamond & challengers games in Lol client. Several games were showed either on the top left or bottom right part of the client. Now I cannot seem to find them, everything is videos, skin promotions etc. Someone knows how to find them?
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On September 18 2014 19:52 Numy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2014 19:49 Alaric wrote:
They're about to play their first game of Worlds to against Svenskeren-less SK. But considering how EDG played (and Samsung White is Samsung White) they prob won't make it out of groups this year either. TSM is in another group with a TPA, SHRC, SK. It is a bit weird how they jumping around the groups with games.
They are doing Group A and B this week.
Also I'm not sure why Championship Riven is limited but Championship Thresh was legacy? Doesn't make sense really.
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On September 18 2014 20:42 M2 wrote:
Before one could observe high diamond & challengers games in Lol client. Several games were showed either on the top left or bottom right part of the client. Now I cannot seem to find them, everything is videos, skin promotions etc. Someone knows how to find them?
http://www.op.gg/spectate/pro/
or click ranking and check replays of any top player
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Riot is has been moving away from making more limited skins, so it's due to a change in policy over time.
On September 18 2014 15:56 PrinceXizor wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2014 15:37 wei2coolman wrote:On September 18 2014 14:58 PrinceXizor wrote:On September 18 2014 14:33 droserin wrote:
So, has anyone actually tried Nashor's on Azir? its really not good, the spike in power comes from stinger, not nashors. the upgrade to nashors doesn't DO much to change anything other than consolidating a slot. having the parts is just as good as having the upgraded thing. so why not turn the parts into different items that work better to solve his mana problems in drawn out fights (what are supposed to be one of his strengths with his AA based damage) and help keep him alive longer. the upgrade is 30 ap and 10% as for 900 gold. which is okay i guess, but definitely not worth rushing over other items. Stinger+Fiendish, into other items then? And finish Nashors whenever. On September 18 2014 15:36 miicah wrote:
What was Monte thinking wearing a black shirt? floral tie + black shirt, 10/10 would watch and listen to. I had a decent performance on PBE with Dring -> Fiendish -> Stinger -> Morello -> Rylai -> Zephyr. swapping the morello finishing and stinger depending on need at the time. often morellos is gonna be a better choice when a dragon fight is near The zephyr provides AD which is non-useless as you can pretty frequently find yourself in a situation you need it (like vs towers, during kiting ect), but the movespeed and tenacity are the big ones, tenacity is huge for him because every second you are disabled is a huge amount of damage lost, unlike a lot of mages which are far more burst oriented.
Uh, by the time you finish the Zephyr there you have enough AP that it does more damage than the extra AD and so supercedes it when you attack a tower. I don't blame you for not knowing though since they eliminated the ability to mix AP/AD against towers YEARS ago back when Kayle was actually a hybrid champion and was wrecking turrets too much.
As for the other cases Nashor's will give you more damage than Zephyr. You certainly do get movespeed/tenacity from zephyr but I'm not so sure that the mobility *so* *important that you sink a whole slot into an AS/mobility item. Azir seems to lack MR in his preferred item builds anyways so if you really need the tenacity I wouldn't hesitate to buy merc treads.
Moreover, according to my theorycraft, you get similar DPS/gold for every step you take towards completing Nashor's, whether it's the stinger, codex, stinger+codex, or the combine of the nashor's itself (this is not counting the passive). Morello's is an *earlier* powerspike but not a better one dps/gold-wise. That said, I'm not completely sold on Azir being able to buy Nashor's every game, with nothing but a nashor's he seems to run low on mana after teamfights in my experience.
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Just realized that kills don't = gold on ascension. The enemy team had an afk Azir for 80% of the game and that Azir came in equal level to the rest of us, and had more gold than anyone. He didn't even get fed.
Everyone had 11710 gold except Azir who had 11930 so no one but the ascended one is ever fed on this map.
On September 18 2014 16:26 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2014 13:01 iCanada wrote:
How is everyone feeling about Azir?
Played him a couple times and he is definitely interesting. Feels more like an ADC than a mage, tbh. I could actually see him being played as the carry position in lieu of an ADC. Big huuuge damage, like absurd damage, but man he is squishy. Like Big time squishy. With Abyssal and Athenes I died in 1 combo to a level 14 Malzahar without DFG about a 3rd of the way through his R. Like, mega squishy. I had scaling MR glyphs too, and I was level 18 (I bodied him in lane, but I think that was just because I'm a play player and he was a bronzie, yay teambuilder, definitely feels like a competent opponent would shit on him in lane on a lot of champions, can't really win trades unless he presses E, and in which case he is all in as fuck). Thats like 120 MR and I just like popped, all he had was sorc shoes and a Liandry's.
. Malzahar crushes everyone dude, just pray that no pro ever plays him or he'll get the Talon treatment.
I hate the Malz vs Brand Matchup because Brand just outranges me. I don't think Lux is that great either. Leblanc used to be terrible but she got nerfed a lot.
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On September 18 2014 22:08 phyvo wrote:
Uh, by the time you finish the Zephyr there you have enough AP that it does more damage than the extra AD and so supercedes it when you attack a tower. I don't blame you for not knowing though since they eliminated the ability to mix AP/AD against towers YEARS ago back when Kayle was actually a hybrid champion and was wrecking turrets too much.
As for the other cases Nashor's will give you more damage than Zephyr. You certainly do get movespeed/tenacity from zephyr but I'm not so sure that the mobility *so* *important that you sink a whole slot into an AS/mobility item. Azir seems to lack MR in his preferred item builds anyways so if you really need the tenacity I wouldn't hesitate to buy merc treads.
Moreover, according to my theorycraft, you get similar DPS/gold for every step you take towards completing Nashor's, whether it's the stinger, codex, stinger+codex, or the combine of the nashor's itself (this is not counting the passive). Morello's is an *earlier* powerspike but not a better one dps/gold-wise. That said, I'm not completely sold on Azir being able to buy Nashor's every game, with nothing but a nashor's he seems to run low on mana after teamfights in my experience.
all i know man is that when i was playing him on PBE, nashors felt bad. there was practically no difference from stinger codex to nashors. and i did better just rushing standard builds than nashors. and that zephyr build i had the most success, never had a point i felt bad, unlike the nashors build and the standard build.
The breakpoints at 1.0 atk speed and 1.65ish atk speed are very far apart for azir, (100+ atk speed), so "DPS" isn't realistic as a theorycraft metric. you will get 1 auto off of each slow at <1.0 2 at 1.0-1.65 and 3 beyond that (i think 4 at 2.3+ but at that point you are sacrificing damage to get that 4th hit). the third hit is incredibly weird to go for, you need 34 atk speed from rune/masteries, nashors, serkers, and still more attack speed on top of the 50% from cdr.
You are really just looking at your soldier stabs as bonus damage on your abilities, you get an extra stab off of a knockup E and 2(3 if you go big into attack speed) on your slow. so you realistically only need to hit 40% cdr and that 40% attack speed from items to get the most out of your burst with very little item commitments. the zephyr as a mobility upgrade can actually let you re-position well enough to get an extra stab and slow off at the end of the soldiers life. you can hit the 3rd hit with 24% from runes/masteries, 25% from zerkers and 50% from zephyr as long as you send the Q past them in the direction they want to run, which you need to be faster than them to do.
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On September 18 2014 22:15 obesechicken13 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2014 16:26 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:On September 18 2014 13:01 iCanada wrote:
How is everyone feeling about Azir?
Played him a couple times and he is definitely interesting. Feels more like an ADC than a mage, tbh. I could actually see him being played as the carry position in lieu of an ADC. Big huuuge damage, like absurd damage, but man he is squishy. Like Big time squishy. With Abyssal and Athenes I died in 1 combo to a level 14 Malzahar without DFG about a 3rd of the way through his R. Like, mega squishy. I had scaling MR glyphs too, and I was level 18 (I bodied him in lane, but I think that was just because I'm a play player and he was a bronzie, yay teambuilder, definitely feels like a competent opponent would shit on him in lane on a lot of champions, can't really win trades unless he presses E, and in which case he is all in as fuck). Thats like 120 MR and I just like popped, all he had was sorc shoes and a Liandry's.
. Malzahar crushes everyone dude, just pray that no pro ever plays him or he'll get the Talon treatment. I hate the Malz vs Brand Matchup because Brand just outranges me. I don't think Lux is that great either. Leblanc used to be terrible but she got nerfed a lot.
Uh can't you just hide behind minions and laugh at Brand when he can't match your waveclear ever (nor your mana sustain early on)?
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All you know is that "nashors felt bad"
The math disagrees with you. And math is better than feelings.
It's 850 gold from Stinger+Codex to Nashors and that gives you 30 AP and 10 ASPD, that's similar in price and stats from what you'd get buying a Blasting Wand, and consolidates an item slot.
Double Dorans > Nashor > Rylai appears to be the build, IMO.
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