EPT[Patch 4.16] Azir General Discussion - Page 71
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On September 18 2014 23:45 Gorsameth wrote: he comes with facts and math and your going "this feels good". Sorry but as usual your the troll here. I'm speechless at the unintentional humor from this. I... its too good. People don't even read or think about whats being said. Only one of us is even talking about real situations in game the other is just talking theory with no basis in reality. enjoy his math. lol Im done. | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
The problem with this is that Dorans + Dorans + Boots + Codex + Stinger is already 5 of 6 item slots. If at that point you go back to base and already have 3k gold, sure you can just straight up buy a big item and that's cool. Otherwise, you're probably going to end up wanting to buy a Blasting Wand, because it's probably your next purchase for whatever it is you're going to buy. (likely a Rylais for defense/utility or a Void Staff for damage) But then you don't have an item slot for potions or wards and the next thing you're going to have to do is either sit on 2k gold or finish Nashors anyway. And finishing Nashors gives you more power for less gold than buying a Blasting Wand, while allowing you to keep a slot open for consumables. The other argument would be to sell one of your dorans rings, which I would entertain, if said argument was actually posted with logic and reasoning and numbers. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On September 18 2014 23:45 Gorsameth wrote: he comes with facts and math and your going "this feels good". Sorry but as usual your the troll here. While PX hasn't really brought anything you can't really claim Ketera's "math" is fact since he's excluding a lot of information in order to bring numbers that prove his point. | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
I'd love to actually figure a good Azir build out. So far I think 2x Dorans into Nashor into Rylai seems like a good standard build. It may well not be the best. I'd love to be wrong and to figure that out. "Morello + Zephyr felt good on the PBE" isn't going to get us there. By the way, if you want to be all "Oh DPS isn't a good metric because it's how many attacks you get in however amount of time blah blah" I'm fairly certain that having an item that slows people and keeps them in soldier range will help you get more attacks. | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
I guess win for dfg is it's better the the 1v1 environments azir already struggles, but id rather just optimize your adc like strengths | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
1x dring + codex + stinger, then build Rylais, then finish Nashor, might be better. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On September 18 2014 23:54 Ketara wrote: I did all the math because PX was all "Mathematically Deathcap+DFG is the best" which it's not and is bullshit. He has no arguable points and he doesn't check things before he says them, he just wants to sound smart. + Show Spoiler + On September 18 2014 23:24 Ketara wrote: Oh really? Lets see, when do you have two items. I'm gonna guess level 11. 2x dring + Nashor + Rylai + amp tome = 7055 gold 2x dring + Deathcap + DFG = 7200 gold Here are the stat differences in these two builds. 21/9 masteries, ASPD+Armor+CDR+CDR runes. Nashor+Rylai Azir Sand soldier DPS: 332.33 Hat+DFG Azir Sand soldier DPS: 337.98 Stop spouting crap PX. I'd love to actually figure a good Azir build out. So far I think 2x Dorans into Nashor into Rylai seems like a good standard build. It may well not be the best. I'd love to be wrong and to figure that out. "Morello + Zephyr felt good on the PBE" isn't going to get us there. + Show Spoiler + On September 18 2014 15:56 PrinceXizor wrote: I had a decent performance on PBE with Dring -> Fiendish -> Stinger -> Morello -> Rylai -> Zephyr. swapping the morello finishing and stinger depending on need at the time. By the way, if you want to be all "Oh DPS isn't a good metric because it's how many attacks you get in however amount of time blah blah" I'm fairly certain that having an item that slows people and keeps them in soldier range will help you get more attacks. + Show Spoiler + On September 18 2014 15:56 PrinceXizor wrote: I had a decent performance on PBE with Dring -> Fiendish -> Stinger -> Morello -> Rylai -> Zephyr. swapping the morello finishing and stinger depending on need at the time. I mean this is pretty much all i need to do to respond to this. i said i was done, why do you keep trying to post stuff to discredit me. especially when all i need to do is copy paste to make you look silly. | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
Ketara wants to run scaling CDR blues (15% at level 18). So Ketara only needs one 20% CDR item. I think scaling CDR blues are really strong right now btw, everyone should try them (maybe except Karthus/Cass) | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
That's worth trying, IMO. I'm guessing that he really just wants to be 40% CDR as soon as possible, though. | ||
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phyvo
United States5635 Posts
On September 18 2014 23:35 Numy wrote: That is some of the most selective theorycrafting I've seen in awhile. Well hurricane was in a similiar position when all of a sudden it became a core item on Kayle when no one else buys it. So there is precedent of AS mages being weird. Man, I guess I somehow missed hurricane Kayle. Would have been interesting to see... | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On September 19 2014 00:42 phyvo wrote: Man, I guess I somehow missed hurricane Kayle. Would have been interesting to see... Hurricane kayle only appeared after Rito nerfed the shit out her ratios and lichbane. | ||
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kongoline
6318 Posts
On September 19 2014 01:36 wei2coolman wrote: Hurricane kayle only appeared after Rito nerfed the shit out her ratios and lichbane. lichbane was nerfed way before hurricane kayle even appeared | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On September 19 2014 02:01 kongoline wrote: lichbane was nerfed way before hurricane kayle even appeared Pretty sure korean solo q picked it up within like a week or two of lichbane/q nerf. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/lol-tournaments/467313-s4wc-reasonable-time-edition#1 | ||
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FinestHour
United States18466 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
I feel like it doesn't matter how Irelia supposedly "beats" him if I have to get camped by my jungler or lose 20+ cs to him, as he has enough with Tear for his laning while I don't feel strong enough until I have at least dblade+sheen. 0K how the fuck does Vlad Q me before I flash and kill me with that? His Q is instant, either I die and don't flash, o I flash and he doesn't cast. What the fuck. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On September 19 2014 03:53 Alaric wrote: Ryze is such a shore. I know Irelia's supposed to beat him, but what do I do while waiting for level 5 and kill potential on him? Either ask my jungler to come (yeah, well, it's soloQ, so I'd rather forget that), or let him zone me from exp from level 1 onward (because he can start sapphire and deal ~20% of my HP every Q), while begging for cs (considering that he can harass you and even QWE combo under tower without taking aggro while you're trying to get last hits on melee minions)? I feel like it doesn't matter how Irelia supposedly "beats" him if I have to get camped by my jungler or lose 20+ cs to him, as he has enough with Tear for his laning while I don't feel strong enough until I have at least dblade+sheen. 0K how the fuck does Vlad Q me before I flash and kill me with that? His Q is instant, either I die and don't flash, o I flash and he doesn't cast. What the fuck. auto | ||
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