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What he did was completely inappropriate. The way I read this is that he was fully aware of what the term meant - he accepted it and embraced it by bringing it up to players in TW. That's really, really bad. He was totally doing it on purpose.
If "Sufficiency" is a bad word in Danmark, I will be obvilious to it so I won't bring it up. He did bring it up so it demonstrates his malice.
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On September 17 2014 21:15 Numy wrote:
Not just the management and coaches, what were his teammates doing.
Yeah, this is really weird. I can understand one guy doing something stupid like that. But did really noone else look at that account name and think "That is probably not a good idea". At least all of his teammates must have seen it, and it would be really weird if no other person had.
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So to some people it is not offensive when i call myself as an lcs player in NA NYnig*** or in Polen polishCARthief? because u know one is what nig*** calls themself, becasue thats what i learnt from where i come from/s and the other is a stupid sterotyp. If u feal offended i aplogize, if not, i dont.
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On September 17 2014 21:07 killerdog wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2014 20:52 Osmoses wrote:On September 17 2014 20:44 killerdog wrote:On September 17 2014 20:29 RagequitBM wrote:
He was also making fun of a taiwanese fan, and saying "Like my name?" showing that he knew it was racist and derogatory From a danish perspective (at least among a lot of people I know here) it would be a joke. like having das_Beer as my name and saying "like my name" to a german guy, only for it to turn out that in some other culture, referencing beer to a german is incredibly racist. This is more akin to Das_Sieg_Heil or Das_ArbeitMachtFrei. I agree the punishment was harsh, but I would have done the same in Riot's position (make an example). The guy may be young, if you wanna call 18 that, but considering the steps Riot had taken leading up to this he is clearly quite dumber than average, and what's the point of having rules if you're just gonna award a slap on the wrist when they're broken. I dunno, if a danish player made an account which had a name which made fun of swedish, and used it to practice for dreamhack, would they really kick him from the tournament? Or some account about how danish sounds like a german eating a potato, and used it to practice for cph games. Those kind of jokes are just sort of accepted in Scandinavia, at least in my experiences. But imo there are plenty of ways they could have punished him. A larger fine, giving SK as a whole a larger fine, a public apology at the event, fine him (with the fine going to some anti-racism campaign,) have him meet with some public anti-racism activists, etc. Or punish him in the more long term, ban him from the next LCS season, or something like that. It just feels like they didn't want to risk any drama overshadowing the event, so they completely kicked him from the entire taiwan portion of the event, rather then actually try and run damage control. Hell they could have just given a seeding advantage, or made him miss one game if they really wanted to punish him in the tourney. And even if they leave him in, and just fine him or whatever, I doubt there'd be actual outrage or anything. Hell it would probably massively increase the interest in the TPA vs SK game :p On the other hand, wtf was SK management and coaches doing, I find it hard to believe nobody else on the team/staff realised what he'd named his account until it was in the papers
As always, Riot Gaming bases their decisions very reactively, and the outrage Svenskeren caused definitely did affect the harshness of their penalty.
That being said, you're defending a guy who knowingly used a derogatory term after being specifically being told not to, that not only hurt the overall sportsmanship of the entire tournament, but enraged an entire nation. Just because the guy either has the mental capacity of a chimpanzee, or acted like a piece of shit just because he would have gotten away with it under different circumstances. Really, I too have issues with Riot Gaming's inconsistencies, but you're picking the wrong subject to argue this over, and to be quite frank, I'd like to see you argue that SK Gaming was bound for big things in the tournament even if Svenskeren was doing magic with every click of his mouse. It's a statement against blatant disregard for the Taiwanese people, and being a dick in general, and while as always it was done in a case by case manner (Riot Gaming doing whatever they "feel" is right according to the moment), I feel it's a trade-off that many people are willing to accept, and I personally am not too teared up by the loss of a thoroughly mediocre player playing for a team that wasn't going anywhere even with him on board. I think you may be overlooking the severity of the offense caused by this idiot/dick (whichever you prefer to call him, it really does not matter), just to appease your hopes of seeing him perform in this tournament which wasn't likely to happen even in the weakest out of the four groups. It's not a smart topic to cling on to in my opinion.
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Saw that one coming tbh. Even though it might be a joke for him, it's completely unacceptable for the rest of the world tbh.
I find it hard to believe that none of his team would've said anything, let alone management.
Or maybe he is that boneheaded
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On September 17 2014 18:21 GolemMadness wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2014 18:11 Eppa! wrote:
Fuck it I just miss BW/SC2 scene where people had personality. Pros are no longer people they are simply human bots that play games.
I would say that people are overly sensitive but I now think people are too unforgiving. Look at football where it is a couple of matches for physically and intentionally hurting someone. Yeah, fucking League of Legends. I'm sick of watching these pros stream all day, talk to us, post on social media, do videos with sponsors and go on shows like SI. If they can't go into another country to represent their nation for world's, make a racially offensive name and then ask its citizens how they like it, then I am FUCKING DONE.
Meh, wasn't really needed in BW. You could literally go on iCCup and just whisper whoever the fuck you wanted - 99% of the time they would respond and talk to you. Even really serious and in-depth.
Hell you could just go into op ToT) and get a game with almost anyone.
(Foreigner) pros were really touchable in BW. Gan taught me 2 hatch muta ZvT. I smoked weed with infernal, kara and ret. Ret stood next to me at a LAN and explained a game for the entire ~20m it lasted. DaZe bm'd me with mass ebay float on Blue Storm (me P). Goody discussed with me the finer points of Arbiter vs Carrier lategame PvT. I've spent hundreds of hours playing KotH with the "cool boys" - basically ToT and ESC mixers. I eventually ended up managing mTws BW team because of all the people I knew.
I still talk to many "pros" from back then on a regular basis. Sen, infernal, kara mainly.
I cant just message someone on League and talk to him. (or SC2, really). I as a fan need those new outlets - streams, shows, social media - if I want to atleast passively interact with those guys.
And its a huge factor why I don't enjoy LoL or SC2 nearly as much as I did BW. I'm just not as personally invested in the players, because the personal connection is missing.
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On September 17 2014 21:07 killerdog wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2014 20:52 Osmoses wrote:On September 17 2014 20:44 killerdog wrote:On September 17 2014 20:29 RagequitBM wrote:
He was also making fun of a taiwanese fan, and saying "Like my name?" showing that he knew it was racist and derogatory From a danish perspective (at least among a lot of people I know here) it would be a joke. like having das_Beer as my name and saying "like my name" to a german guy, only for it to turn out that in some other culture, referencing beer to a german is incredibly racist. This is more akin to Das_Sieg_Heil or Das_ArbeitMachtFrei. I agree the punishment was harsh, but I would have done the same in Riot's position (make an example). The guy may be young, if you wanna call 18 that, but considering the steps Riot had taken leading up to this he is clearly quite dumber than average, and what's the point of having rules if you're just gonna award a slap on the wrist when they're broken. I dunno, if a danish player made an account which had a name which made fun of swedish, and used it to practice for dreamhack, would they really kick him from the tournament? Or some account about how danish sounds like a german eating a potato, and used it to practice for cph games. Those kind of jokes are just sort of accepted in Scandinavia, at least in my experiences. But imo there are plenty of ways they could have punished him. A larger fine, giving SK as a whole a larger fine, a public apology at the event, fine him (with the fine going to some anti-racism campaign,) have him meet with some public anti-racism activists, etc. Or punish him in the more long term, ban him from the next LCS season, or something like that. It just feels like they didn't want to risk any drama overshadowing the event, so they completely kicked him from the entire taiwan portion of the event, rather then actually try and run damage control. Hell they could have just given a seeding advantage, or made him miss one game if they really wanted to punish him in the tourney. And even if they leave him in, and just fine him or whatever, I doubt there'd be actual outrage or anything. Hell it would probably massively increase the interest in the TPA vs SK game :p On the other hand, wtf was SK management and coaches doing, I find it hard to believe nobody else on the team/staff realised what he'd named his account until it was in the papers
There is a massive difference between what is acceptable around friends/family or even some random strangers when you are just some random person, and what is acceptable when you are representing your country/region in the spotlight. His name wouldn't cause much of a stir pretty much anywhere when just used in a LAN for playing with friends or whatever. Sure, people would just laugh at it mostly and almost nobody would be offended. When you are in the spotlight though the rules change, that's just how it is. These players are marketing tools for Riot, that's why they get paid, and that's why they get held to a high standard. Choosing an offensive name reflects poorly on Riot, and that's why they reacted like they did.
Now I'd place less blame with Svenskeren and more with SK too, since the players are obviously mostly quite immature, but that's why teams have support staff that should be paying attention to this sort of thing and taking care of it before it ever gets to Riot.
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On September 17 2014 21:36 Celial wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2014 18:21 GolemMadness wrote:On September 17 2014 18:11 Eppa! wrote:
Fuck it I just miss BW/SC2 scene where people had personality. Pros are no longer people they are simply human bots that play games.
I would say that people are overly sensitive but I now think people are too unforgiving. Look at football where it is a couple of matches for physically and intentionally hurting someone. Yeah, fucking League of Legends. I'm sick of watching these pros stream all day, talk to us, post on social media, do videos with sponsors and go on shows like SI. If they can't go into another country to represent their nation for world's, make a racially offensive name and then ask its citizens how they like it, then I am FUCKING DONE. Meh, wasn't really needed in BW. You could literally go on iCCup and just whisper whoever the fuck you wanted - 99% of the time they would respond and talk to you. Even really serious and in-depth. Hell you could just go into op ToT) and get a game with almost anyone. (Foreigner) pros were really touchable in BW. Gan taught me 2 hatch muta ZvT. I smoked weed with infernal, kara and ret. Ret stood next to me at a LAN and explained a game for the entire ~20m it lasted. DaZe bm'd me with mass ebay float on Blue Storm (me P). Goody discussed with me the finer points of Arbiter vs Carrier lategame PvT. I've spent hundreds of hours playing KotH with the "cool boys" - basically ToT and ESC mixers. I eventually ended up managing mTws BW team because of all the people I knew. I still talk to many "pros" from back then on a regular basis. Sen, infernal, kara mainly. I cant just message someone on League and talk to him. (or SC2, really). I as a fan need those new outlets - streams, shows, social media - if I want to atleast passively interact with those guys. And its a huge factor why I don't enjoy LoL or SC2 nearly as much as I did BW. I'm just not as personally invested in the players, because the personal connection is missing.
Well yeah but if you compare how many fans there are in bw to league you see why this happens.
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On September 17 2014 21:36 Celial wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2014 18:21 GolemMadness wrote:On September 17 2014 18:11 Eppa! wrote:
Fuck it I just miss BW/SC2 scene where people had personality. Pros are no longer people they are simply human bots that play games.
I would say that people are overly sensitive but I now think people are too unforgiving. Look at football where it is a couple of matches for physically and intentionally hurting someone. Yeah, fucking League of Legends. I'm sick of watching these pros stream all day, talk to us, post on social media, do videos with sponsors and go on shows like SI. If they can't go into another country to represent their nation for world's, make a racially offensive name and then ask its citizens how they like it, then I am FUCKING DONE. Meh, wasn't really needed in BW. You could literally go on iCCup and just whisper whoever the fuck you wanted - 99% of the time they would respond and talk to you. Even really serious and in-depth. Hell you could just go into op ToT) and get a game with almost anyone. (Foreigner) pros were really touchable in BW. Gan taught me 2 hatch muta ZvT. I smoked weed with infernal, kara and ret. Ret stood next to me at a LAN and explained a game for the entire ~20m it lasted. DaZe bm'd me with mass ebay float on Blue Storm (me P). Goody discussed with me the finer points of Arbiter vs Carrier lategame PvT. I've spent hundreds of hours playing KotH with the "cool boys" - basically ToT and ESC mixers. I eventually ended up managing mTws BW team because of all the people I knew. I still talk to many "pros" from back then on a regular basis. Sen, infernal, kara mainly. I cant just message someone on League and talk to him. (or SC2, really). I as a fan need those new outlets - streams, shows, social media - if I want to atleast passively interact with those guys. And its a huge factor why I don't enjoy LoL or SC2 nearly as much as I did BW. I'm just not as personally invested in the players, because the personal connection is missing.
If you played since beta and 1800 Season 1 you could be just as close to pros – like a certain other distinguished individual in the TeamLiquid League of Legends community.
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On September 17 2014 20:46 Sufficiency wrote:
Hmmm....
Curse Forgiven?
Curse UZI?
All about that CRS Freeze.
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On September 17 2014 18:00 -Zoda- wrote:
No they are not harsh. What does it change it's incidental or not ?
This guy has already been fined for toxic behavior and warned multiple times by Riot. If he still thinks after that and a cultural sensitivity briefing that choosing such a name is not a problem then he's an idiot, period.
When/what for has he been fined and warned before?
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On September 17 2014 21:47 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2014 20:46 Sufficiency wrote:
Hmmm....
Curse Forgiven?
Curse UZI?
All about that CRS Freeze.
I'm just waiting for the promotion tournament to come around and CA to ahve signed poohmandu and uzi as their new botlane
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On September 17 2014 21:44 xes wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2014 21:36 Celial wrote:On September 17 2014 18:21 GolemMadness wrote:On September 17 2014 18:11 Eppa! wrote:
Fuck it I just miss BW/SC2 scene where people had personality. Pros are no longer people they are simply human bots that play games.
I would say that people are overly sensitive but I now think people are too unforgiving. Look at football where it is a couple of matches for physically and intentionally hurting someone. Yeah, fucking League of Legends. I'm sick of watching these pros stream all day, talk to us, post on social media, do videos with sponsors and go on shows like SI. If they can't go into another country to represent their nation for world's, make a racially offensive name and then ask its citizens how they like it, then I am FUCKING DONE. Meh, wasn't really needed in BW. You could literally go on iCCup and just whisper whoever the fuck you wanted - 99% of the time they would respond and talk to you. Even really serious and in-depth. Hell you could just go into op ToT) and get a game with almost anyone. (Foreigner) pros were really touchable in BW. Gan taught me 2 hatch muta ZvT. I smoked weed with infernal, kara and ret. Ret stood next to me at a LAN and explained a game for the entire ~20m it lasted. DaZe bm'd me with mass ebay float on Blue Storm (me P). Goody discussed with me the finer points of Arbiter vs Carrier lategame PvT. I've spent hundreds of hours playing KotH with the "cool boys" - basically ToT and ESC mixers. I eventually ended up managing mTws BW team because of all the people I knew. I still talk to many "pros" from back then on a regular basis. Sen, infernal, kara mainly. I cant just message someone on League and talk to him. (or SC2, really). I as a fan need those new outlets - streams, shows, social media - if I want to atleast passively interact with those guys. And its a huge factor why I don't enjoy LoL or SC2 nearly as much as I did BW. I'm just not as personally invested in the players, because the personal connection is missing. If you played since beta and 1800 Season 1 you could be just as close to pros – like a certain other distinguished individual in the TeamLiquid League of Legends community.
i lol´ed
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On September 17 2014 21:31 Miefer wrote:
So to some people it is not offensive when i call myself as an lcs player in NA NYnig*** or in Polen polishCARthief? because u know one is what nig*** calls themself, becasue thats what i learnt from where i come from/s and the other is a stupid sterotyp. If u feal offended i aplogize, if not, i dont.
You know that referencing to Poland by it's german name can be considered offensive? Just to show you how easy it is to make such a mistake. If I saw a "polishCARthief" nick, I'd just laugh, seeing "Polen" really pisses me off.
And it would be more like "szczżźćdź", because it's making fun of how they speak, not their race or what they presumably do
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On September 17 2014 21:31 Miefer wrote:
So to some people it is not offensive when i call myself as an lcs player in NA NYnig*** or in Polen polishCARthief? because u know one is what nig*** calls themself, becasue thats what i learnt from where i come from/s and the other is a stupid sterotyp. If u feal offended i aplogize, if not, i dont.
Became good friends with Bulgarian dude at college cuz of jokes of how seedy Bulgaria is. lol.
Anyways, what Sven did was hardly considered racism. There doesn't seem to be any ill will behind it. It's like those stupid prank phone calls where you try and make the person say something funny, like ' looking for mike hunt'
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On September 17 2014 21:36 Goragoth wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2014 21:07 killerdog wrote:On September 17 2014 20:52 Osmoses wrote:On September 17 2014 20:44 killerdog wrote:On September 17 2014 20:29 RagequitBM wrote:
He was also making fun of a taiwanese fan, and saying "Like my name?" showing that he knew it was racist and derogatory From a danish perspective (at least among a lot of people I know here) it would be a joke. like having das_Beer as my name and saying "like my name" to a german guy, only for it to turn out that in some other culture, referencing beer to a german is incredibly racist. This is more akin to Das_Sieg_Heil or Das_ArbeitMachtFrei. I agree the punishment was harsh, but I would have done the same in Riot's position (make an example). The guy may be young, if you wanna call 18 that, but considering the steps Riot had taken leading up to this he is clearly quite dumber than average, and what's the point of having rules if you're just gonna award a slap on the wrist when they're broken. I dunno, if a danish player made an account which had a name which made fun of swedish, and used it to practice for dreamhack, would they really kick him from the tournament? Or some account about how danish sounds like a german eating a potato, and used it to practice for cph games. Those kind of jokes are just sort of accepted in Scandinavia, at least in my experiences. But imo there are plenty of ways they could have punished him. A larger fine, giving SK as a whole a larger fine, a public apology at the event, fine him (with the fine going to some anti-racism campaign,) have him meet with some public anti-racism activists, etc. Or punish him in the more long term, ban him from the next LCS season, or something like that. It just feels like they didn't want to risk any drama overshadowing the event, so they completely kicked him from the entire taiwan portion of the event, rather then actually try and run damage control. Hell they could have just given a seeding advantage, or made him miss one game if they really wanted to punish him in the tourney. And even if they leave him in, and just fine him or whatever, I doubt there'd be actual outrage or anything. Hell it would probably massively increase the interest in the TPA vs SK game :p On the other hand, wtf was SK management and coaches doing, I find it hard to believe nobody else on the team/staff realised what he'd named his account until it was in the papers There is a massive difference between what is acceptable around friends/family or even some random strangers when you are just some random person, and what is acceptable when you are representing your country/region in the spotlight. His name wouldn't cause much of a stir pretty much anywhere when just used in a LAN for playing with friends or whatever. Sure, people would just laugh at it mostly and almost nobody would be offended. When you are in the spotlight though the rules change, that's just how it is. These players are marketing tools for Riot, that's why they get paid, and that's why they get held to a high standard. Choosing an offensive name reflects poorly on Riot, and that's why they reacted like they did. Now I'd place less blame with Svenskeren and more with SK too, since the players are obviously mostly quite immature, but that's why teams have support staff that should be paying attention to this sort of thing and taking care of it before it ever gets to Riot.
In Scandinavian countries this would not even be noticed. It is very much a cultural thing and I personally see nothing offensive in the name since its obviously in good faith from svens perspective.
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Wow. Not to defend Svenskeren or take sides on it but it's actually kind of crazy of Riot to ban a play from 3 world championship games one day before worlds regardless of what he did. I mean sure it was inappropriate but the 3 game suspension is nuts they might as well have banned him for the entire tournament as there's almost zero chance SK gets out of groups now.
Inb4 TSM actually ends up with a group easier than group A.
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On September 17 2014 22:14 Eppa! wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2014 21:36 Goragoth wrote:On September 17 2014 21:07 killerdog wrote:On September 17 2014 20:52 Osmoses wrote:On September 17 2014 20:44 killerdog wrote:On September 17 2014 20:29 RagequitBM wrote:
He was also making fun of a taiwanese fan, and saying "Like my name?" showing that he knew it was racist and derogatory From a danish perspective (at least among a lot of people I know here) it would be a joke. like having das_Beer as my name and saying "like my name" to a german guy, only for it to turn out that in some other culture, referencing beer to a german is incredibly racist. This is more akin to Das_Sieg_Heil or Das_ArbeitMachtFrei. I agree the punishment was harsh, but I would have done the same in Riot's position (make an example). The guy may be young, if you wanna call 18 that, but considering the steps Riot had taken leading up to this he is clearly quite dumber than average, and what's the point of having rules if you're just gonna award a slap on the wrist when they're broken. I dunno, if a danish player made an account which had a name which made fun of swedish, and used it to practice for dreamhack, would they really kick him from the tournament? Or some account about how danish sounds like a german eating a potato, and used it to practice for cph games. Those kind of jokes are just sort of accepted in Scandinavia, at least in my experiences. But imo there are plenty of ways they could have punished him. A larger fine, giving SK as a whole a larger fine, a public apology at the event, fine him (with the fine going to some anti-racism campaign,) have him meet with some public anti-racism activists, etc. Or punish him in the more long term, ban him from the next LCS season, or something like that. It just feels like they didn't want to risk any drama overshadowing the event, so they completely kicked him from the entire taiwan portion of the event, rather then actually try and run damage control. Hell they could have just given a seeding advantage, or made him miss one game if they really wanted to punish him in the tourney. And even if they leave him in, and just fine him or whatever, I doubt there'd be actual outrage or anything. Hell it would probably massively increase the interest in the TPA vs SK game :p On the other hand, wtf was SK management and coaches doing, I find it hard to believe nobody else on the team/staff realised what he'd named his account until it was in the papers There is a massive difference between what is acceptable around friends/family or even some random strangers when you are just some random person, and what is acceptable when you are representing your country/region in the spotlight. His name wouldn't cause much of a stir pretty much anywhere when just used in a LAN for playing with friends or whatever. Sure, people would just laugh at it mostly and almost nobody would be offended. When you are in the spotlight though the rules change, that's just how it is. These players are marketing tools for Riot, that's why they get paid, and that's why they get held to a high standard. Choosing an offensive name reflects poorly on Riot, and that's why they reacted like they did. Now I'd place less blame with Svenskeren and more with SK too, since the players are obviously mostly quite immature, but that's why teams have support staff that should be paying attention to this sort of thing and taking care of it before it ever gets to Riot. In Scandinavian countries this would not even be noticed. It is very much a cultural thing and I personally see nothing offensive in the name since its obviously in good faith from svens perspective.
I don't think you have any idea what obviously means.
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On September 17 2014 22:14 Eppa! wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2014 21:36 Goragoth wrote:On September 17 2014 21:07 killerdog wrote:On September 17 2014 20:52 Osmoses wrote:On September 17 2014 20:44 killerdog wrote:On September 17 2014 20:29 RagequitBM wrote:
He was also making fun of a taiwanese fan, and saying "Like my name?" showing that he knew it was racist and derogatory From a danish perspective (at least among a lot of people I know here) it would be a joke. like having das_Beer as my name and saying "like my name" to a german guy, only for it to turn out that in some other culture, referencing beer to a german is incredibly racist. This is more akin to Das_Sieg_Heil or Das_ArbeitMachtFrei. I agree the punishment was harsh, but I would have done the same in Riot's position (make an example). The guy may be young, if you wanna call 18 that, but considering the steps Riot had taken leading up to this he is clearly quite dumber than average, and what's the point of having rules if you're just gonna award a slap on the wrist when they're broken. I dunno, if a danish player made an account which had a name which made fun of swedish, and used it to practice for dreamhack, would they really kick him from the tournament? Or some account about how danish sounds like a german eating a potato, and used it to practice for cph games. Those kind of jokes are just sort of accepted in Scandinavia, at least in my experiences. But imo there are plenty of ways they could have punished him. A larger fine, giving SK as a whole a larger fine, a public apology at the event, fine him (with the fine going to some anti-racism campaign,) have him meet with some public anti-racism activists, etc. Or punish him in the more long term, ban him from the next LCS season, or something like that. It just feels like they didn't want to risk any drama overshadowing the event, so they completely kicked him from the entire taiwan portion of the event, rather then actually try and run damage control. Hell they could have just given a seeding advantage, or made him miss one game if they really wanted to punish him in the tourney. And even if they leave him in, and just fine him or whatever, I doubt there'd be actual outrage or anything. Hell it would probably massively increase the interest in the TPA vs SK game :p On the other hand, wtf was SK management and coaches doing, I find it hard to believe nobody else on the team/staff realised what he'd named his account until it was in the papers There is a massive difference between what is acceptable around friends/family or even some random strangers when you are just some random person, and what is acceptable when you are representing your country/region in the spotlight. His name wouldn't cause much of a stir pretty much anywhere when just used in a LAN for playing with friends or whatever. Sure, people would just laugh at it mostly and almost nobody would be offended. When you are in the spotlight though the rules change, that's just how it is. These players are marketing tools for Riot, that's why they get paid, and that's why they get held to a high standard. Choosing an offensive name reflects poorly on Riot, and that's why they reacted like they did. Now I'd place less blame with Svenskeren and more with SK too, since the players are obviously mostly quite immature, but that's why teams have support staff that should be paying attention to this sort of thing and taking care of it before it ever gets to Riot. In Scandinavian countries this would not even be noticed. It is very much a cultural thing and I personally see nothing offensive in the name since its obviously in good faith from svens perspective.
Unfortunately, rito hosted part of WC in Taiwan. If they took no action after the outrage it would look even worse for Riot. Personally I think people get their panties in a bunch over nothing. I feel like racism is tossed around so often, people have forgotten what it actually means.
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On September 17 2014 22:19 Numy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2014 22:14 Eppa! wrote:On September 17 2014 21:36 Goragoth wrote:On September 17 2014 21:07 killerdog wrote:On September 17 2014 20:52 Osmoses wrote:On September 17 2014 20:44 killerdog wrote:On September 17 2014 20:29 RagequitBM wrote:
He was also making fun of a taiwanese fan, and saying "Like my name?" showing that he knew it was racist and derogatory From a danish perspective (at least among a lot of people I know here) it would be a joke. like having das_Beer as my name and saying "like my name" to a german guy, only for it to turn out that in some other culture, referencing beer to a german is incredibly racist. This is more akin to Das_Sieg_Heil or Das_ArbeitMachtFrei. I agree the punishment was harsh, but I would have done the same in Riot's position (make an example). The guy may be young, if you wanna call 18 that, but considering the steps Riot had taken leading up to this he is clearly quite dumber than average, and what's the point of having rules if you're just gonna award a slap on the wrist when they're broken. I dunno, if a danish player made an account which had a name which made fun of swedish, and used it to practice for dreamhack, would they really kick him from the tournament? Or some account about how danish sounds like a german eating a potato, and used it to practice for cph games. Those kind of jokes are just sort of accepted in Scandinavia, at least in my experiences. But imo there are plenty of ways they could have punished him. A larger fine, giving SK as a whole a larger fine, a public apology at the event, fine him (with the fine going to some anti-racism campaign,) have him meet with some public anti-racism activists, etc. Or punish him in the more long term, ban him from the next LCS season, or something like that. It just feels like they didn't want to risk any drama overshadowing the event, so they completely kicked him from the entire taiwan portion of the event, rather then actually try and run damage control. Hell they could have just given a seeding advantage, or made him miss one game if they really wanted to punish him in the tourney. And even if they leave him in, and just fine him or whatever, I doubt there'd be actual outrage or anything. Hell it would probably massively increase the interest in the TPA vs SK game :p On the other hand, wtf was SK management and coaches doing, I find it hard to believe nobody else on the team/staff realised what he'd named his account until it was in the papers There is a massive difference between what is acceptable around friends/family or even some random strangers when you are just some random person, and what is acceptable when you are representing your country/region in the spotlight. His name wouldn't cause much of a stir pretty much anywhere when just used in a LAN for playing with friends or whatever. Sure, people would just laugh at it mostly and almost nobody would be offended. When you are in the spotlight though the rules change, that's just how it is. These players are marketing tools for Riot, that's why they get paid, and that's why they get held to a high standard. Choosing an offensive name reflects poorly on Riot, and that's why they reacted like they did. Now I'd place less blame with Svenskeren and more with SK too, since the players are obviously mostly quite immature, but that's why teams have support staff that should be paying attention to this sort of thing and taking care of it before it ever gets to Riot. In Scandinavian countries this would not even be noticed. It is very much a cultural thing and I personally see nothing offensive in the name since its obviously in good faith from svens perspective. I don't think you have any idea what obviously means.
It means that there is nobody on this forum who genuinely thinks that Svenskeren's primary purpose was to offend the Taiwanese.
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