EPTHe made fun of the guy who talked about him, asking him if he liked his name and stuff, and ridiculed him without the guy being aware of it. It may not be racist per se, but he definitely knew it was derogatory.
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
He made fun of the guy who talked about him, asking him if he liked his name and stuff, and ridiculed him without the guy being aware of it. It may not be racist per se, but he definitely knew it was derogatory. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21675 Posts
On September 17 2014 19:24 killerdog wrote: So if you spend a year of your life, and a year of 4 of your friends lives, working your arses off to get to this tournament. You get a practice account, which you have to name, you're stressed, tired, and you've been travelling a ton, and you have to name it. You pick a funny name, which would have been perfectly fine to say in public where you grew up, and riot never said anything about the phrase chingchong being overly racist, why would that specific phrase be racist? Oh wait, our entire team is (essentially) booted from the tournament. Like, ofc racism is bad, but essentially ruining one of the groups of the supposedly most competitive tournament in the world, because an 18 year old kid said something he didn't even realize was racist? I'd like to think in this day and age punishments are judged based on the intentions behind the action, not purely on the end result. Like I'd hate for someone who planned out and intentionally ran someone over to be punished identically to someone who accidentally hit a pedestrian on a dark, rainy night. Way to not read what happened. I've often enough been critical of Riot's actions but they acted correctly in this situation. | ||
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IamPryda
United States1186 Posts
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
On September 17 2014 19:52 IamPryda wrote: Taking into account he is only 18 I think the punishment is pretty harsh. In all honesty this seems more of riot making an example out of him in which case a 1 game suspension could have had the same effect. Yea should've done that.The first game is THE game that riot wants sk to lose anyway. | ||
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killerdog
Denmark6522 Posts
On September 17 2014 19:49 Gorsameth wrote: Way to not read what happened. I've often enough been critical of Riot's actions but they acted correctly in this situation. I have read what happened -.- He made a name he didn't think was racist, from the perspective of some cultures he's not overly familiar with it was racist, and riot decided preserving the events good pr was important so they sacrificed SK. What am i missing here~ There are countless ways they could have approached it/punished him which don't involve damaging the teams, and by extension europes, chances of success (as well as boosting the chances of the other teams in their group) at worlds... And even if they have to suspend him, why make it all 3 games... | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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killerdog
Denmark6522 Posts
On September 17 2014 20:10 Alaric wrote: Well you certainly haven't read the part where he was trained about knowing what's racist then. ._. If they specifically sat them down and gave them a list of racist terms, which specifically included chingchong, then I retract all my support for him. But I highly doubt that's the case. Most likely they got some culture tips, honorifics, major differences in cultures between taiwan and europe, how to deal with some situations etc. Like you can tell someone not to be racist as many times as you want, but if the guy doesn't realise that a specific word is racist then that doesn't really help -.- | ||
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RagequitBM
Canada2270 Posts
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
What a god sent for TSM. | ||
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killerdog
Denmark6522 Posts
On September 17 2014 20:29 RagequitBM wrote: He was also making fun of a taiwanese fan, and saying "Like my name?" showing that he knew it was racist and derogatory From a danish perspective (at least among a lot of people I know here) it would be a joke. like having das_Beer as my name and saying "like my name" to a german guy, only for it to turn out that in some other culture, referencing beer to a german is incredibly racist. But whatever, apparently cultural understanding only goes one way :p + Show Spoiler + that's a tongue in cheek joke btw, (hence the :p) I feel the need to specify with how antsy everyone seems to be about this, wouldn't want to offend anyone by accident. But either way my issue isn't with svenskeren getting punished, Riot can fine away to high heavens, or ban him from the lcs sandwich bar or whatever, but do they have to pick a punishment which influences the tournament itself? Like it's just thrown both eu expectations, and the whole group, a massive curveball. And also made the entirety of this weeks games kind of boring tbh. Group A is clearly one sided, and now Group B just got tilted as well  | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
Curse Forgiven? Curse UZI? | ||
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killerdog
Denmark6522 Posts
On September 17 2014 20:46 Sufficiency wrote: Hmmm.... Curse Forgiven? Curse UZI? Crs Doublelift Things finally come full circle :D | ||
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RagequitBM
Canada2270 Posts
Though I'm gonna be honest, I laughed super hard when I saw Sven's name, so I can see why he'd choose it, but he's still an idiot for not realizing that might anger riot. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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killerdog
Denmark6522 Posts
On September 17 2014 20:50 Alaric wrote: Rest assured doggie, nothing offends me more than your Zed "play". Pls, do u even yasuo | ||
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Osmoses
Sweden5302 Posts
On September 17 2014 20:44 killerdog wrote: From a danish perspective (at least among a lot of people I know here) it would be a joke. like having das_Beer as my name and saying "like my name" to a german guy, only for it to turn out that in some other culture, referencing beer to a german is incredibly racist. This is more akin to Das_Sieg_Heil or Das_ArbeitMachtFrei. I agree the punishment was harsh, but I would have done the same in Riot's position (make an example). The guy may be young, if you wanna call 18 that, but considering the steps Riot had taken leading up to this he is clearly quite dumber than average, and what's the point of having rules if you're just gonna award a slap on the wrist when they're broken. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On September 17 2014 19:24 killerdog wrote: So if you spend a year of your life, and a year of 4 of your friends lives, working your arses off to get to this tournament. You get a practice account, which you have to name, you're stressed, tired, and you've been travelling a ton, and you have to name it. You pick a funny name, which would have been perfectly fine to say in public where you grew up, and riot never said anything about the phrase chingchong being overly racist, why would that specific phrase be racist? Oh wait, our entire team is (essentially) booted from the tournament. Like, ofc racism is bad, but essentially ruining one of the groups of the supposedly most competitive tournament in the world, because an 18 year old kid said something he didn't even realize was racist? I'd like to think in this day and age punishments are judged based on the intentions behind the action, not purely on the end result. Like I'd hate for someone who planned out and intentionally ran someone over to be punished identically to someone who accidentally hit a pedestrian on a dark, rainy night. The dude has a past of being racist and insulting. It's not like it's the first time it's ever happened. He's an asshole that should have been banned long about but got away with it. It's about time something was done. On September 17 2014 20:44 killerdog wrote: From a danish perspective (at least among a lot of people I know here) it would be a joke. like having das_Beer as my name and saying "like my name" to a german guy, only for it to turn out that in some other culture, referencing beer to a german is incredibly racist. But whatever, apparently cultural understanding only goes one way :p + Show Spoiler + that's a tongue in cheek joke btw, (hence the :p) I feel the need to specify with how antsy everyone seems to be about this, wouldn't want to offend anyone by accident. But either way my issue isn't with svenskeren getting punished, Riot can fine away to high heavens, or ban him from the lcs sandwich bar or whatever, but do they have to pick a punishment which influences the tournament itself? Like it's just thrown both eu expectations, and the whole group, a massive curveball. And also made the entirety of this weeks games kind of boring tbh. Group A is clearly one sided, and now Group B just got tilted as well Riot are all about being like actual sports and in actual sports he would most likely get 10+ match ban and a rather bigger fine regardless of when it happens in a tournament. Hell in Football players get 1 match bans for getting a red card which is a double punishment. While I tend to agree with you I also think Sven is a moron who shouldn't be in LCS so it's hard for me to be unbiased. | ||
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killerdog
Denmark6522 Posts
On September 17 2014 20:52 Osmoses wrote: This is more akin to Das_Sieg_Heil or Das_ArbeitMachtFrei. I agree the punishment was harsh, but I would have done the same in Riot's position (make an example). The guy may be young, if you wanna call 18 that, but considering the steps Riot had taken leading up to this he is clearly quite dumber than average, and what's the point of having rules if you're just gonna award a slap on the wrist when they're broken. I dunno, if a danish player made an account which had a name which made fun of swedish, and used it to practice for dreamhack, would they really kick him from the tournament? Or some account about how danish sounds like a german eating a potato, and used it to practice for cph games. Those kind of jokes are just sort of accepted in Scandinavia, at least in my experiences. But imo there are plenty of ways they could have punished him. A larger fine, giving SK as a whole a larger fine, a public apology at the event, fine him (with the fine going to some anti-racism campaign,) have him meet with some public anti-racism activists, etc. Or punish him in the more long term, ban him from the next LCS season, or something like that. It just feels like they didn't want to risk any drama overshadowing the event, so they completely kicked him from the entire taiwan portion of the event, rather then actually try and run damage control. Hell they could have just given a seeding advantage, or made him miss one game if they really wanted to punish him in the tourney. And even if they leave him in, and just fine him or whatever, I doubt there'd be actual outrage or anything. Hell it would probably massively increase the interest in the TPA vs SK game :p On the other hand, wtf was SK management and coaches doing, I find it hard to believe nobody else on the team/staff realised what he'd named his account until it was in the papers | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
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