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Osmoses
Sweden5302 Posts
On September 16 2014 20:02 Mikau wrote: Stop being so entitled. You get skins and champions for buying RP. Anything else is just gravy, and you're not a special snowflake for spending RP. I don't have a problem with no reward, I have a problem with the line of thinking that everyone is a special snowflake. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35172 Posts
On September 16 2014 22:13 Osmoses wrote: I don't have a problem with no reward, I have a problem with the line of thinking that everyone is a special snowflake. They all melt into boring, nondescript drops of water anyway. | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
Idk, Riot constantly neutering everything and the huge downward power curve is really making league stale IMO. Champions just don't feel as dynamic and awesome as they used to because instead of nerfing a champion by making them weaker at what they do poorly Riot nerfs champions by removing their strengths. It's my opinion every champion should have something as awesome as Talon's silence or Yasuo's wind wall or any of the number of skills people bitch about until Riot nerfs it. | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
Don't think he should get nerfed but it is a shitty comparison. | ||
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Alzadar
Canada5009 Posts
On September 16 2014 20:18 kongoline wrote: ryze facechecks jax with finished trinity/bortk and still stomps him 1v1 in melee range without any kiting whatsonever, i dont get how this makes any sense You didn't say what Ryze had. Sounds like Jax had no MR and Ryze probably had Frozen Heart, so Jax was doing like 50% damage to him. | ||
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LaNague
Germany9118 Posts
it started with zilean and whatever his word was, something about fun mechanics, i forgot. then toxic, rivington in the meantime tries to introduce "backside", but he failed. counterplay is the new riot approved word, seperating the good riot employees from the great ones. And Ghostgrawler in the meantime has a bandwidth problem. | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
On September 16 2014 23:19 nafta wrote: Wouldn't really compare a combo of 2 skills that can get interrupted or flashed or a slow moving projectile to an instant silence after a blink by an assassin.Even lb/kassadin silence had much more counterplay than talon's since it is instant. Don't think he should get nerfed but it is a shitty comparison. Main point was that if silences have "no counter play" then stuns have even less "counter play." And the lack of "counter play" is the reasoning Riot has given for removing LB/Kass/Talon silences. On September 16 2014 23:28 LaNague wrote: every 6 months riot invents a new word and uses it for everything until they find a new one. it started with zilean and whatever his word was, something about fun mechanics, i forgot. then toxic, rivington in the meantime tries to introduce "backside", but he failed. counterplay is the new riot approved word, seperating the good riot employees from the great ones. And Ghostgrawler in the meantime has a bandwidth problem. It was anti-fun. Some things were deemed to be anti-fun so they were removed. That was like two-three years ago though so I don't really remember what they got rid of. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
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Alzadar
Canada5009 Posts
Context is everything for what is strong/weak on a champion. There is plenty of counter play to a slow, mediocre damage champion with no gapclosers and a 600 range, slow moving projectile stun. There is much less for a fast champion with huge burst and a 700 range instant gapcloser + silence. | ||
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
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Alzadar
Canada5009 Posts
On September 16 2014 23:38 Fusilero wrote: I'm not a talon expert but isn't removing his silence going to cripple many of his match ups in lane? Aye. Talon was probably the one champion who made me a bit afraid as Malzahar, now the Prophet will rule mid lane unopposed. | ||
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droserin
127 Posts
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overt
United States9006 Posts
On September 16 2014 23:36 Alzadar wrote: I don't necessarily agree with removing Kass/LB/Talon silences, but you're being obtuse in your interpretation of Riot's reasoning. Context is everything for what is strong/weak on a champion. There is plenty of counter play to a slow, mediocre damage champion with no gapclosers and a 600 range, slow moving projectile stun. There is much less for a fast champion with huge burst and a 700 range instant gapcloser + silence. There is plenty of counter play to a silence. Even an instant one. Don't get in range of his silence, your allies can peel for you, and the only people he's going to instantly blow up are squishies. Practically no one complained about him for years and now it's only a problem because the entirety of their roster has gotten weaker. Ignoring that my stun comparisons were shit removing every silence from an assassin because there's "no counter play" to it is horrible balance imo. On September 16 2014 23:38 Fusilero wrote: I'm not a talon expert but isn't removing his silence going to cripple many of his match ups in lane? He'll pretty much go back to where he was before his rise in popularity. As in, not played much at all. Unless they give him buffs somewhere else. | ||
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Alzadar
Canada5009 Posts
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Kupon3ss
時の回廊10066 Posts
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On September 16 2014 23:46 Alzadar wrote: Wait are people going to start complaining about "power decline"? That's too ironic IMO. That's an interesting point. | ||
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Alzadar
Canada5009 Posts
I'd sooner see a reduction of the silence to 0.5s than a total change, because he is an exciting champion if nothing else. Random thought: would Talon be stronger or weaker if his ult gave him a big tenacity buff instead of stealth? On September 16 2014 23:46 Kupon3ss wrote: But that's the whole character design of assassins, to QWER and assassinate you. In the grand scheme of things nerfing and deprecating old characters while continually creating op and exciting new things like yasuo isn't a bad way to go and lifts a lot of the burden off the balance team. Can you really say this is the case? Just looking at some random All Stars game as examples: SKT vs OMG: 7 champions post-Leona, 9 champions pre-Leona (inclusive) TPA vs FNC: 8 champions post-Leona, 8 champions pre-Leona C9 vs OMG: 8 champions post-Leona, 8 champions pre-Leona I use Leona since I started on Leona patch, easiest to judge. I think about 60% of champions are pre-Leona. | ||
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Bearded Elder29904 Posts
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LaNague
Germany9118 Posts
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