EPTPoppy just doesn't work. Even Kayle is usually a problem whenever she gets played, because it's too hard to balance other skills to make up for invincibility for anyone. Riot is getting better at this though. I'd say Braum and Yasuo are in pretty good spots, and they also have a really incredible ability.
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Dark_Chill
Canada3353 Posts
Poppy just doesn't work. Even Kayle is usually a problem whenever she gets played, because it's too hard to balance other skills to make up for invincibility for anyone. Riot is getting better at this though. I'd say Braum and Yasuo are in pretty good spots, and they also have a really incredible ability. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On September 17 2014 01:39 Sufficiency wrote: Poppy has some problems though... near invincibility is an issue when it lasts 8 seconds, and her passive is way too deceptive. No one cared about her because she was (or seemed to be) pretty weak. 8 seconds of invincibility is useless if you don't have items to back it up. That's why she hasn't fucking popped in proscene until just recently as a hard counter, in relegation against the weakest team in EU. On September 17 2014 01:43 Dark_Chill wrote: Poppy is the least balanced champion in LoL. Just because she has really good trade-offs doesn't mean she works in the game. You need farm, but you have no waveclear. So you need to do well early so that you're not too behind to farm. But your early game sucks, so you can't farm well, so you fall behind. Poppy just doesn't work. Even Kayle is usually a problem whenever she gets played, because it's too hard to balance other skills to make up for invincibility for anyone. Riot is getting better at this though. I'd say Braum and Yasuo are in pretty good spots, and they also have a really incredible ability. This makes no sense, unless you think riot's single flat powercurve for all champions is true 'balance' | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On September 17 2014 01:43 Dark_Chill wrote: Poppy is the least balanced champion in LoL. Just because she has really good trade-offs doesn't mean she works in the game. You need farm, but you have no waveclear. So you need to do well early so that you're not too behind to farm. But your early game sucks, so you can't farm well, so you fall behind. Poppy just doesn't work. Even Kayle is usually a problem whenever she gets played, because it's too hard to balance other skills to make up for invincibility for anyone. Riot is getting better at this though. I'd say Braum and Yasuo are in pretty good spots, and they also have a really incredible ability. Huh all those points mean poppy is balanced. | ||
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Dark_Chill
Canada3353 Posts
On September 17 2014 01:45 wei2coolman wrote: 8 seconds of invincibility is useless if you don't have items to back it up. That's why she hasn't fucking popped in proscene until just recently as a hard counter, in relegation against the weakest team in EU. This makes no sense, unless you think riot's single flat powercurve for all champions is true 'balance' For riot it is. That's why I said she's not balanced in LoL | ||
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Alzadar
Canada5009 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On September 17 2014 01:58 Dark_Chill wrote: For riot it is. That's why I said she's not balanced in LoL Who the fuck cares what Riot thinks, it's how she works in reference to the game regardless of Riot's arbitrary game balance philosophy. | ||
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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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LaNague
Germany9118 Posts
his 1st clear suuuucks, but after that he is prettyy good because of all the ae. Its like amumu except no dmg reduction, so you have a probem when khazix visits you. The problem i have though is what items to use, he needs a chalice imo since he is pretty spammy, so di i leave the chalice and go more tanky or just all out ap items and chalice into grail. | ||
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
http://www.azubu.tv/Flame | ||
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Disengaged
United States6994 Posts
Don't care enough to go there. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19573 Posts
On September 17 2014 02:00 wei2coolman wrote: Who the fuck cares what Riot thinks, it's how she works in reference to the game regardless of Riot's arbitrary game balance philosophy. Because it's important. They are always looking at ways to eliminate oppressive laning experiences and reduce snowballing early. Inevitably, that will result in Poppy's laning going from "unbearable" to "bad" and then you get S3 Kassadin(heck, even playoffs Tristana). What you are asking for is riot to balance in a way they don't want to, and frankly never have shown the capability of executing. | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
1 - His early game seems really awful. His mana costs don't go up at all, so although after early game he doesn't seem to have mana problems just with 2 dorans, early in the game it's real easy to run out of mana. Without levels in Q it feels hard to reposition soldiers in the lane and if you don't have a soldier in the right spot he does zero damage. You basically have to save one sand soldier to W+E away from a gank, so you can only ever have one out in the early game. 2 - His controls seem really clunky/buggy. Multiple times I used Q but it didn't show going on cooldown/show the cooldown. When you W if you click outside his range he'll cast it at max range in that direction rather than walking to the spot and placing it, which multiple times made me actually miss a turret with it and cast a useless sand soldier next to the turret instead. Once I used E and it moved me to the wrong sand soldier, like totally in the opposite direction of where I was clicking. 3 - I've already had his ult bug twice (in two games) and not knock people back, just go through them and leave them on my side of the wall. All in all I feel like I can see some potential, but he's hard to use and seems buggy. | ||
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UmberBane
Germany5450 Posts
I have to say, Azubu are really delivering some quality to get people to their site. It's strange how everyone knows Azubu, everyone kinda knows that it's pretty good now, but still nobody watches it (including myself). Wonder if they'll ever get the numbers they want to. | ||
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arb
Noobville17920 Posts
On September 17 2014 02:24 Ketara wrote: So, after playing a couple Azir games, thoughts: 1 - His early game seems really awful. His mana costs don't go up at all, so although after early game he doesn't seem to have mana problems just with 2 dorans, early in the game it's real easy to run out of mana. Without levels in Q it feels hard to reposition soldiers in the lane and if you don't have a soldier in the right spot he does zero damage. You basically have to save one sand soldier to W+E away from a gank, so you can only ever have one out in the early game. 2 - His controls seem really clunky/buggy. Multiple times I used Q but it didn't show going on cooldown/show the cooldown. When you W if you click outside his range he'll cast it at max range in that direction rather than walking to the spot and placing it, which multiple times made me actually miss a turret with it and cast a useless sand soldier next to the turret instead. Once I used E and it moved me to the wrong sand soldier, like totally in the opposite direction of where I was clicking. 3 - I've already had his ult bug twice (in two games) and not knock people back, just go through them and leave them on my side of the wall. All in all I feel like I can see some potential, but he's hard to use and seems buggy. Just sit back and wait for fixes. Remember how horrible Jayce was till the QoL fixes? | ||
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ArchAngelSC
England706 Posts
Can you not dodge any more since last patch? Do you have to do it some new way I don't know about? | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On September 17 2014 02:19 cLutZ wrote: Because it's important. They are always looking at ways to eliminate oppressive laning experiences and reduce snowballing early. Inevitably, that will result in Poppy's laning going from "unbearable" to "bad" and then you get S3 Kassadin(heck, even playoffs Tristana). What you are asking for is riot to balance in a way they don't want to, and frankly never have shown the capability of executing. I'm not asking for Riot to balance it that way, I'm just bitching about how fucking dumb Riot is. lol :D Why can't we just get a stream of his webcam, who cares about solo queue when you can just stare into his dreamy eyes. Oh god, he's playing against a poppy in lane, even the Koreans are picking up on it. #PoppyS4WC | ||
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On September 17 2014 02:41 Fusilero wrote: If you want to see Korean poppy go stalk Jin Air Vin he's been playing poppy jungle with ghost Why would I want to watch myself play? | ||
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Nos-
Canada12016 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On September 17 2014 02:44 Nos- wrote: there is this poppy top only guy in korean challenger soloq with a funky name (babaloo555 or something?), I don't know if that's a pro player smurf or what but that guy plays poppy into pretty much anything Zekent did it in S2, had pretty decent winrate, got into high D1 (no challenger in s2) playing only poppy and janna top. lol, this flame stream is too funny. he's stuck in elo hell even in solo queue. goes 5-2 in top lane, entire team loses badly. rofl, the struggle is real. | ||
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