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Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
September 12 2014 17:21 GMT
#461
Post rework Kat was not weak even in the slightest sense. The community thought she was weak, and even Riot thought she was weak - to the point that she received a damage buff on her Q and W - which were reverted a few patches later as people realized she was in fact OP.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
September 12 2014 17:23 GMT
#462
Just played vs Cassio scripter and then Xerath scripter (they admitted in chat and said they don't give a fuck) the terror was real.
kongoline
Profile Joined February 2012
6318 Posts
September 12 2014 17:24 GMT
#463
theres xerath script? wow that explains a lot why so many xeraths were carrying games i played in the past few days
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
September 12 2014 17:28 GMT
#464
On September 13 2014 01:59 Sufficiency wrote:
That's strong?

She and akali had the strongest lvl 6 at the time for mid. Of course this was a time before we had shit like syndra.
liftlift > tsm
Goumindong
Profile Joined February 2013
United States3529 Posts
September 12 2014 17:33 GMT
#465
On September 13 2014 01:40 Sufficiency wrote:
Kat did get nerfed with DFG. She was practically the only one who got affected by the nerf.


Veigar his ult CD and DFG CD no longer line up. It effectively puts his combo on a 90 second CD unless you're so far ahead you don't need to.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
September 12 2014 17:33 GMT
#466
On September 13 2014 02:21 Inflicted wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2014 01:41 krndandaman wrote:

I think KR soloQ is more suited towards people who play lane safely and win through minor advantages/scaling. Guys like Froggen, Hai, etc. would like it I think. Someone like Bjergsen imo would prefer NA where snowballing the lane pretty much guarantees you the win and is quite easy to snowball in the first place.


I don't think so. Hai's been averaging 6.2 deaths a game.

Wins are wins.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
September 12 2014 17:35 GMT
#467
Akali's 6 is pretty mediocre because she doesn't get 3 charges immediately. Akali spikes at level 9.

Old Kat's 6 depended on if the opposing mid laner can stop her R or not.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
September 12 2014 17:36 GMT
#468
On September 13 2014 02:33 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2014 02:21 Inflicted wrote:
On September 13 2014 01:41 krndandaman wrote:

I think KR soloQ is more suited towards people who play lane safely and win through minor advantages/scaling. Guys like Froggen, Hai, etc. would like it I think. Someone like Bjergsen imo would prefer NA where snowballing the lane pretty much guarantees you the win and is quite easy to snowball in the first place.


I don't think so. Hai's been averaging 6.2 deaths a game.

Wins are wins.


Some champions die more often in winning games than others.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
September 12 2014 17:41 GMT
#469
On September 13 2014 02:05 Alaric wrote:
Hey guys.
Remember tank top lane Katarina?

Yeah. That was post-rework. So before you say she's garbage, remember she was broken right after. x) Also what utility did old Kat have? Grievous wounds on WQ? She has it on ult, so if it's about applying it to the enemy team it's basically the same (she doesn't have enough range on Q to apply it in sieges without risk anyway).

I don't judge success of reworks by how strong they make a character. karmas rework was one of the biggest failures in my eyes despite improving her power level.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
September 12 2014 17:44 GMT
#470
On September 13 2014 02:41 PrinceXizor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2014 02:05 Alaric wrote:
Hey guys.
Remember tank top lane Katarina?

Yeah. That was post-rework. So before you say she's garbage, remember she was broken right after. x) Also what utility did old Kat have? Grievous wounds on WQ? She has it on ult, so if it's about applying it to the enemy team it's basically the same (she doesn't have enough range on Q to apply it in sieges without risk anyway).

I don't judge success of reworks by how strong they make a character. karmas rework was one of the biggest failures in my eyes despite improving her power level.

This a billion times. Old karma's kit was really cool.
liftlift > tsm
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
September 12 2014 17:46 GMT
#471
similarly trundles lore rework made me really sad because he has this tortured hero-not-by-choice slant.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
September 12 2014 17:47 GMT
#472
On September 13 2014 02:44 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2014 02:41 PrinceXizor wrote:
On September 13 2014 02:05 Alaric wrote:
Hey guys.
Remember tank top lane Katarina?

Yeah. That was post-rework. So before you say she's garbage, remember she was broken right after. x) Also what utility did old Kat have? Grievous wounds on WQ? She has it on ult, so if it's about applying it to the enemy team it's basically the same (she doesn't have enough range on Q to apply it in sieges without risk anyway).

I don't judge success of reworks by how strong they make a character. karmas rework was one of the biggest failures in my eyes despite improving her power level.

This a billion times. Old karma's kit was really cool.

No, her kit was dumb because nobody knew how to play with it.
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
September 12 2014 17:47 GMT
#473
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Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
September 12 2014 18:03 GMT
#474
Which is moot because no one has that kind of data.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
September 12 2014 18:05 GMT
#475
On September 13 2014 03:03 Sufficiency wrote:
Which is moot because no one has that kind of data.

One could go to op.gg, download all the replays, watch them, and record the results.
Frolossus
Profile Joined February 2010
United States4779 Posts
September 12 2014 18:06 GMT
#476
On September 13 2014 02:47 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2014 02:44 wei2coolman wrote:
On September 13 2014 02:41 PrinceXizor wrote:
On September 13 2014 02:05 Alaric wrote:
Hey guys.
Remember tank top lane Katarina?

Yeah. That was post-rework. So before you say she's garbage, remember she was broken right after. x) Also what utility did old Kat have? Grievous wounds on WQ? She has it on ult, so if it's about applying it to the enemy team it's basically the same (she doesn't have enough range on Q to apply it in sieges without risk anyway).

I don't judge success of reworks by how strong they make a character. karmas rework was one of the biggest failures in my eyes despite improving her power level.

This a billion times. Old karma's kit was really cool.

No, her kit was dumb because nobody knew how to play with it.

that doesn't justify a complete change imo
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29905 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-12 18:23:43
September 12 2014 18:20 GMT
#477
http://www.surrenderat20.net/2014/09/red-post-collection-417-live-gameplay.html

Oh shit, I'm totally buying this Jarvan <3

Edit : Also I'm going to mass spam Soraka games once her rework is live !
WriterSalty oldboy that loves memes | One and only back-to-back Liquibet Winner
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
September 12 2014 18:24 GMT
#478
On September 13 2014 01:06 Sufficiency wrote:
Wait. Are you saying the current Nidalee has less counterplay than the old AP Nidalee?

Of course. Old nidalee you could: punish pre6, deny blues, siege her towers (poor waveclear), engage on her team (theoretically, because are was strongest during a meta that generally lacked engage), and dodge spears. She still has bad clear, and mediocre team fight, but is never really weak in 1v1 or 2v2 anymore, isn't mana reliant, and still escapes forever. She is just worse in the poke situations she used to excel in, which doesn't matter because new nidalee doesn't need to or try to be in those situations.
Freeeeeeedom
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
September 12 2014 18:24 GMT
#479
On September 13 2014 03:05 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2014 03:03 Sufficiency wrote:
Which is moot because no one has that kind of data.

One could go to op.gg, download all the replays, watch them, and record the results.


I volunteer you to do it.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
September 12 2014 18:24 GMT
#480
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