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iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
September 12 2014 18:26 GMT
#481
What I don't get is why they thought they had to change Viktor's E augment in the first place...

It was identified by pretty much every one as Viktor. You know what, it's not even that they are nerfing it, it's that they have to change it for the sake of changing it. Honestly, if they thought it was too strong that he could stall games out hard with E, or farm out till his late game with E why didn't they just lower the damage? Instead now we have this laser which doesn't feel like a death laser, it feels like a laser with done six year old running behind it throwing snaps at the ground.

Psyuoooo! Snap snap snap snap! It feels so wrong to me. Kills the visceral feel of E for me. Sounds so chinsy.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
September 12 2014 18:27 GMT
#482
On September 13 2014 02:08 Frolossus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2014 02:05 Alaric wrote:
Hey guys.
Remember tank top lane Katarina?

Yeah. That was post-rework. So before you say she's garbage, remember she was broken right after. x) Also what utility did old Kat have? Grievous wounds on WQ? She has it on ult, so if it's about applying it to the enemy team it's basically the same (she doesn't have enough range on Q to apply it in sieges without risk anyway).

tank kat was better pre-rework actually
when her ult actually had base damage.

the reason it surfaced again after the rework was cause regular mid kat was so garbage for a while.

anyways the point being that after the rework, kat and many other champions ended up off worse mechanically than the were, but riot changed too much too quickly.

No. Because she didn't have W, pre-rework.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
lilwisper
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2515 Posts
September 12 2014 18:28 GMT
#483
On September 13 2014 03:20 739 wrote:
http://www.surrenderat20.net/2014/09/red-post-collection-417-live-gameplay.html

Oh shit, I'm totally buying this Jarvan <3

Edit : Also I'm going to mass spam Soraka games once her rework is live !


I read that and it says Fiora is oppresive. Did I miss something?
Frolossus
Profile Joined February 2010
United States4779 Posts
September 12 2014 18:30 GMT
#484
On September 13 2014 03:27 Alaric wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2014 02:08 Frolossus wrote:
On September 13 2014 02:05 Alaric wrote:
Hey guys.
Remember tank top lane Katarina?

Yeah. That was post-rework. So before you say she's garbage, remember she was broken right after. x) Also what utility did old Kat have? Grievous wounds on WQ? She has it on ult, so if it's about applying it to the enemy team it's basically the same (she doesn't have enough range on Q to apply it in sieges without risk anyway).

tank kat was better pre-rework actually
when her ult actually had base damage.

the reason it surfaced again after the rework was cause regular mid kat was so garbage for a while.

anyways the point being that after the rework, kat and many other champions ended up off worse mechanically than the were, but riot changed too much too quickly.

No. Because she didn't have W, pre-rework.

actually her W accounted for something like 1/4 of her damage
and it was a healing debuff/damage mitigation on command
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
September 12 2014 18:34 GMT
#485
It was also a 15+s cooldown spell that had to be used in conjunction with another. While Katarina did nothing but spam W at you in top lane, using the MS buff to chase you or evade retaliation, abusing the 4s cd and her manaless status. She combo'd that with Sunfire as first item.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
suicideyear
Profile Joined December 2012
Ivory Coast3016 Posts
September 12 2014 18:36 GMT
#486
where od i go to complain about ascension
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Frolossus
Profile Joined February 2010
United States4779 Posts
September 12 2014 18:37 GMT
#487
On September 13 2014 03:34 Alaric wrote:
It was also a 15+s cooldown spell that had to be used in conjunction with another. While Katarina did nothing but spam W at you in top lane, using the MS buff to chase you or evade retaliation, abusing the 4s cd and her manaless status. She combo'd that with Sunfire as first item.

and once laning phase ended
she was worthless cause her ult didn't do any damage
killer instinct was like 400+ free ult damage as well as free Q and auto attack damage

the addition of the mark mechanic on Q, removal of KI, and changes to how her Q bounce + reduction from 6 bounces at level one to 5 at max level as well removal of damage scaling from shunpo and a bunch of other things made her a lot worse after the rework.

shunpo used to hit harder than her current QW combo
M2
Profile Joined December 2002
Bulgaria4171 Posts
September 12 2014 18:47 GMT
#488
Guys when do u think its reasonable to start maining one role and advance with it. I mean my supporting is somehow a class above all my other roles, I can play 6-7 supports on good level, I can counter their bot lane, I know synergies between supports and adcs, build orders etc. and playing support I feel that I am platinum level, because when I almost stopped playing the other roles I went from gold 4 to 1 fairly fast and soon I am sure I ll hit plat. However, on my other roles I am definitely no higher than gold 3, between 5 and 3 I would assume.
So my question is: Is it fair (whatever that means) to abuse one role to advance so early. I know pro players, challengers and even diamonds main one role, but they can hit diamond with any role if they want, so whenever they cannot play they role they do not burden their team, while I think I will when I hit platinum playing only one role
Knife kitty, night kitty, put you on a slab. Stealthy kitty, hunter kitty, stab stab stab :-)
LaNague
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany9118 Posts
September 12 2014 18:54 GMT
#489
Guess Riot employees got a new memo which said "counterplay" a lot.
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
September 12 2014 18:59 GMT
#490
reading posts from riot is like watching a microsoft E3 conference. buzzwords and no substance.
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
September 12 2014 19:06 GMT
#491
On September 13 2014 03:47 M2 wrote:
Guys when do u think its reasonable to start maining one role and advance with it. I mean my supporting is somehow a class above all my other roles, I can play 6-7 supports on good level, I can counter their bot lane, I know synergies between supports and adcs, build orders etc. and playing support I feel that I am platinum level, because when I almost stopped playing the other roles I went from gold 4 to 1 fairly fast and soon I am sure I ll hit plat. However, on my other roles I am definitely no higher than gold 3, between 5 and 3 I would assume.
So my question is: Is it fair (whatever that means) to abuse one role to advance so early. I know pro players, challengers and even diamonds main one role, but they can hit diamond with any role if they want, so whenever they cannot play they role they do not burden their team, while I think I will when I hit platinum playing only one role


Whenever you want. As you climb higher you'll get skills applicable to other roles.

Just play what you like to play.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-12 19:06:47
September 12 2014 19:06 GMT
#492
On September 13 2014 03:24 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2014 03:05 Gahlo wrote:
On September 13 2014 03:03 Sufficiency wrote:
Which is moot because no one has that kind of data.

One could go to op.gg, download all the replays, watch them, and record the results.


I volunteer you to do it.

Why? My stance is Hai is better than people think and the fact that he got to Challenger with relative ease supports that.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
September 12 2014 19:15 GMT
#493
On September 13 2014 04:06 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2014 03:24 Sufficiency wrote:
On September 13 2014 03:05 Gahlo wrote:
On September 13 2014 03:03 Sufficiency wrote:
Which is moot because no one has that kind of data.

One could go to op.gg, download all the replays, watch them, and record the results.


I volunteer you to do it.

Why? My stance is Hai is better than people think and the fact that he got to Challenger with relative ease supports that.


No the issue is that you proposed a solution that is unfeasible. An unfeasible solution is a bad solution. No one will watch 200 of his replays and count number of deaths.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Goumindong
Profile Joined February 2013
United States3529 Posts
September 12 2014 19:19 GMT
#494
On September 13 2014 03:26 iCanada wrote:
What I don't get is why they thought they had to change Viktor's E augment in the first place...

It was identified by pretty much every one as Viktor. You know what, it's not even that they are nerfing it, it's that they have to change it for the sake of changing it. Honestly, if they thought it was too strong that he could stall games out hard with E, or farm out till his late game with E why didn't they just lower the damage? Instead now we have this laser which doesn't feel like a death laser, it feels like a laser with done six year old running behind it throwing snaps at the ground.

Psyuoooo! Snap snap snap snap! It feels so wrong to me. Kills the visceral feel of E for me. Sounds so chinsy.


And frankly if you're concerned about too much wave clear Viktor's E is probably the last thing you should be killing. But really, it was because reasons
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
September 12 2014 19:30 GMT
#495
On September 13 2014 04:15 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2014 04:06 Gahlo wrote:
On September 13 2014 03:24 Sufficiency wrote:
On September 13 2014 03:05 Gahlo wrote:
On September 13 2014 03:03 Sufficiency wrote:
Which is moot because no one has that kind of data.

One could go to op.gg, download all the replays, watch them, and record the results.


I volunteer you to do it.

Why? My stance is Hai is better than people think and the fact that he got to Challenger with relative ease supports that.


No the issue is that you proposed a solution that is unfeasible. An unfeasible solution is a bad solution. No one will watch 200 of his replays and count number of deaths.

1. Hai doesn't have 200 games on that account.
2. Even if it did, the ones farthest in the past would have little relevance to his level of player as opposed to his current rank.
3. OP.GG only shows the last 20 games.

You said nobody had that kind of data, which is wrong because op.gg has the replays. If somebody wanted to, they could very easily find out his laning KDA. Would it take time? Obviously, maybe 2-3 hours if they were distracted. Unfeasible? Not at all. Saying "he dies a lot" is a bad excuse when trying to measure a laner's individual skill if a person refuses to actually review evidence of his laning.
MindBreaker
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States574 Posts
September 12 2014 19:33 GMT
#496
whats this? i saw something about poppy being op? am i going crazy and seeing things?
Is it weird that I play most of my online games at work? And that it's a pizza place??
Parnage
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States7414 Posts
September 12 2014 19:36 GMT
#497
On September 13 2014 04:33 MindBreaker wrote:
whats this? i saw something about poppy being op? am i going crazy and seeing things?


Only a matter of time. Leagues come full circle. Zilean, tristana are picks and Poppy is a niche terror.
-orb- Fan. Live the Nal_rA dream. || Yordles are cool.
lilwisper
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2515 Posts
September 12 2014 19:39 GMT
#498
On September 13 2014 04:36 Parnage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2014 04:33 MindBreaker wrote:
whats this? i saw something about poppy being op? am i going crazy and seeing things?


Only a matter of time. Leagues come full circle. Zilean, tristana are picks and Poppy is a niche terror.


I can't wait to use the "After 10,000 bans...." video again.
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-12 19:44:57
September 12 2014 19:44 GMT
#499
Ah yes. its pretty impressive how hai was able to climb aaaaaalllll the way from diamond 3 mmr to challenger mmr in a bunch of games. :/
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-12 20:12:09
September 12 2014 19:48 GMT
#500
What's the reason Yorick is disabled in Ascension? A bug with his ult I assume, like if someone revived by his ult kills Xerath?

Edit: I just saw Zyra kill Xerath with her passive, the ascension revived her. Must be that.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
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