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On September 06 2014 13:52 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2014 13:49 Amui wrote:On September 06 2014 13:41 Gahlo wrote:
Chinese regionals in 20 minutes HYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYPE! Why did I have to move east for work...it's almost 1am after a workday T.T But it's also some of the first league I'll have watched in a long time. I feel ya man, I'm barely operating thanks to Coke.
Unlimited supply of free coffee via a coffee-o-matic type machine at my workplace.
Sadly I don't have the same luxuries at the place I'm staying. Hot tea and desire to watch league is going to have to do, although I don't think I'll make it much past game 1.
Where are they hosting it btw. I thought I heard birds nest, but my mandarin is very shaky when compared to a fluent speaker.
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On September 06 2014 14:02 TheEmulator wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2014 13:41 Gahlo wrote:
Chinese regionals in 20 minutes HYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYPE! Yeah, I'm tuning in to watch some tonight. Who is the favourite going in? edit: dang, they got a full Orchestra to open. Super cool. ok. plz bring back the Orchestra.
I have NO IDEA. I've been trying to catch more LPL but it usually has awful timing with Champions, which I'd prefer to watch.
Judging by the Summer playoffs, OMG looks to be the favorite with LGD and IG being afterthoughts.
I guess further discussion should move over here.
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china region finals starting soon wheres the stream?
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On September 06 2014 14:25 justiceknight wrote:
china region finals starting soon wheres the stream?
So far just a pre-show musical performance and some host interaction. I'm assuming games will start soon?
http://www.twitch.tv/lplen
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On September 06 2014 14:02 TheEmulator wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2014 13:41 Gahlo wrote:
Chinese regionals in 20 minutes HYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYPE! Yeah, I'm tuning in to watch some tonight. Who is the favourite going in? edit: dang, they got a full Orchestra to open. Super cool. ok. plz bring back the Orchestra.
Favorites going into this are Starhorn Royal Club and OMG I think. EDG are already qualified, but are playing for the first place seed tomorrow. Should be three matches today, and three matches tomorrow(All listed as Bo3 on Riot's lolesports site)
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http://lolbuilder.net/news/best-ad-carry-by-damage
interesting, but also extremely misleading, as games go longer, champs get chances to do more damage. So strong midgame champs that can completely take over midgames are under represented, while lategame champs like kog are over represented.
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looks rather sloppy first game in the chinese regionals
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On September 06 2014 15:06 wei2coolman wrote:http://lolbuilder.net/news/best-ad-carry-by-damageinteresting, but also extremely misleading, as games go longer, champs get chances to do more damage. So strong midgame champs that can completely take over midgames are under represented, while lategame champs like kog are over represented.
that doesn't really explain why trist is so low on the list
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On September 06 2014 12:01 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2014 12:00 LightningStrike wrote:On September 06 2014 11:08 TheEmulator wrote:So I finally got some more time to get to lvl 30, and now I want to start ranked. My only question is, what tier 3 runes do I need? Do I only need tier 3 or do I need some tier 2 as well? I mostly play mid and ADC, so if someone can give me some tips on 1-2 rune pages that might be helpful for me I would be so happy. I have tons of IP btw so I should be ok when getting runes. Played with IP boosters quite a few times on my quest to lvl 30  For adc Flat AD Reds, Flat Armor Yellows, Flat MR Blues, and 2 LS and ! AD Quints. This my normal adc page but I only Silver 1 so take it with a grain of salt. Pros have been using AD marks, Armor seals, 0-9 AS and/or MR glyphs, and AS quints. I'm not sure why they are using AS glyphs as the bonus is so small it isn't even funny. I don't see the practicality of it.
In level 1/2 trading the bonus is/might be large enough to get a second auto off in the trade. If you're at the 2 auto breakpoint in a trade and they're in a 1 auto breakpoint you win every trade regardless of early game strength until level 6.
On September 06 2014 12:12 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2014 11:19 Goumindong wrote:On September 06 2014 11:05 Sufficiency wrote:On September 06 2014 10:31 sob3k wrote:On September 06 2014 10:25 Sufficiency wrote:
Morg mid is absolutely terrible. She practically wins no match ups and the only thing she can do is to pray and hope her lane opponent is bad. morg has enough teamfight power and utility that she doesn't need to "win" mid many times. Lets also be honest, in pro play there are very few 1v1 mid kills or someone getting straight pooped on and being unable to lane. Its a lot of roaming, coordinated ganks, and team movement, which morg can do pretty well. I'm not saying she's a good mid pick but she can be safe and supports ganks well and contributes a lot in teamfighting. Her teamfight is actually not that great, at least not damage-wise. She is better as a support because she gets the same amount of CC without the amount of farm requirement. She wasn't too strong prior to season 4 due to global gold too little for her to get a Zhonya. Her teamfight is still great with a whole shit tonne of damage(.9 AP on Q! 750+ 1.5 AP on R!, 500+1.6 on W if you can get someone to stand in it). She just can't afford to level her primary team fight ability up because if you're mid lane you have to wave clear which means she needs points in W. But at the same time her wave clear sucks anyway because W doesn't hard clear waves. Back in Season 2 when no almost no mids had strong wave clear and she could just AFK farm mid then Wraiths then mid then wraiths then maybe go gank a lane she was super strong. But now she is definitely better as a support. She can level her engage ability and her shield and still build a decent amount of damage. She could be OK in mid, but knowing when you've got enough points in W so you can start leveling Q for fights takes a lot of getting used to and still leaves you with a weird hard to use power spike Listing her ratios is extremely misleading when you do not consider the manner which she delivers the damage. Her W is over 5 seconds and I giggled at the 1.6 AP ratio you listed on her W (check her wiki and come back). Her Q is a line collision skillshot and her R has very short range + requires tether maintenance. Overall, she either: 1. Can only throw her skills at a tank, because she has no Flash, or 2. She flashes in and hopefully catches someone squishy on the edge, then forced to Zhonya, keeping her unable to move. Overall her ratio is extremely bad. Not to mention with her W changes she cannot very effectively shove the lane until level 7 and every other mid laner and their mothers can out trade her with ease. Morgana mid is not good at all. She was only good when her W had MR reduction and every other mid laner also played the shove-the-lane style.
Just her Q and R are 2.3. Her Q and R and W assuming a good combo and the enemy is full health(for the entire combo, somehow) is 3.4 AP plus 1700 damage. Which is well pretty amazingly high. Indeed her total potential combo damage is almost the highest in the game excepting the big dot AoE ults like fiddlesticks and rammus.
Its not her damage ratios or base damage numbers that make her weak
Her problem in mid is that leveling W/needing AP instead of pen means that she does more damage from support(I.E. void staff first buy) if you're building her that way and her inability to hard clear creeps in the face of enemies who can shove the wave out of her pool negates her ability to safely shove the wave. The large and constant nerfs since season 2 did not help her any either. But if W were an ability that was able to swiftly clear waves she would almost certainly rush back to top tier.
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On September 06 2014 15:41 Ryuu314 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2014 15:06 wei2coolman wrote:http://lolbuilder.net/news/best-ad-carry-by-damageinteresting, but also extremely misleading, as games go longer, champs get chances to do more damage. So strong midgame champs that can completely take over midgames are under represented, while lategame champs like kog are over represented. that doesn't really explain why trist is so low on the list
the list is almost entirely just which champs poke best really. Which fits trist perfectly cause trist doesn't poke.
And challenger is all changed up cause they actually know how to play the game i suppose.
EDIT:: I'm more suprised by draven. Though i guess the fact that every draven goes ham for kills 24/7 may account for more champ damage.
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list seems to reflect who likes to trade the most in lane
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On September 06 2014 16:37 Goumindong wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2014 12:01 Gahlo wrote:On September 06 2014 12:00 LightningStrike wrote:On September 06 2014 11:08 TheEmulator wrote:So I finally got some more time to get to lvl 30, and now I want to start ranked. My only question is, what tier 3 runes do I need? Do I only need tier 3 or do I need some tier 2 as well? I mostly play mid and ADC, so if someone can give me some tips on 1-2 rune pages that might be helpful for me I would be so happy. I have tons of IP btw so I should be ok when getting runes. Played with IP boosters quite a few times on my quest to lvl 30 For adc Flat AD Reds, Flat Armor Yellows, Flat MR Blues, and 2 LS and ! AD Quints. This my normal adc page but I only Silver 1 so take it with a grain of salt. Pros have been using AD marks, Armor seals, 0-9 AS and/or MR glyphs, and AS quints. I'm not sure why they are using AS glyphs as the bonus is so small it isn't even funny. I don't see the practicality of it. In level 1/2 trading the bonus is/might be large enough to get a second auto off in the trade. If you're at the 2 auto breakpoint in a trade and they're in a 1 auto breakpoint you win every trade regardless of early game strength until level 6.
I often see, for example, 4 AS glyphs on Tristana. This is only an increase of 0.02624 attacks per second. I seriously doubt it helps that much.
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On September 06 2014 13:00 Ryuu314 wrote:
This change also means CLG's ban from OGN is moot since it appears OGN also adopted this policy (though to what extent we don't know), meaning CLG can't play in OGN with their NA roster.
OGN was also supposed to invite a Chinese team for next season and that probably won't happen now. Thx riot ily
Unless they just make it so the general rule is that KR can't import more than 2 foreign players but they can still invite/allow foreign teams to participate idunno
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On September 06 2014 18:14 AlterKot wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2014 13:00 Ryuu314 wrote:
This change also means CLG's ban from OGN is moot since it appears OGN also adopted this policy (though to what extent we don't know), meaning CLG can't play in OGN with their NA roster. OGN was also supposed to invite a Chinese team for next season and that probably won't happen now. Thx riot ily Unless they just make it so the general rule is that KR can't import more than 2 foreign players but they can still invite/allow foreign teams to participate idunno
Secret CLG goal:
If relegated to challengers, get invited to Korea for NLB/OGN. Bypass 2 year ban and all that. gg yo
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seriously though 2 year ban wtf
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On September 06 2014 14:27 TheEmulator wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2014 14:25 justiceknight wrote:
china region finals starting soon wheres the stream? So far just a pre-show musical performance and some host interaction. I'm assuming games will start soon? http://www.twitch.tv/lplen
on what patch are the Chinese qualifiers played?
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On September 06 2014 18:14 AlterKot wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2014 13:00 Ryuu314 wrote:
This change also means CLG's ban from OGN is moot since it appears OGN also adopted this policy (though to what extent we don't know), meaning CLG can't play in OGN with their NA roster. OGN was also supposed to invite a Chinese team for next season and that probably won't happen now. Thx riot ily Unless they just make it so the general rule is that KR can't import more than 2 foreign players but they can still invite/allow foreign teams to participate idunno
Well the exact rules stated in the article apply to NA/EU. Regions can still adjust the rules how they see fit. For example Brazil and Turkey has no region lock yet. If KR wanted they could make some kind of exception rule (like inviting guest teams). At least I think so.
Anyway the limitations on regional movement make a lot of sense to me and seem like a good compromise.
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whats going on on the chinese stream, why are they talking for 30 minutes already and not showing games?
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On September 06 2014 18:37 krndandaman wrote:
Morgana is my go to mid champion in ranked when I'm not confident in my matchup because she is so damn safe.
It's so hard to fall behind in CS as morg and pretty hard to die even with no wards. On the other hand it's pretty hard to carry with a mid morg since you depend on your team for the damage. Mid morg is a poor man's mid lulu. It's inferior, but not terrible. I would go lulu if I had her.
I'd say Ori outclasses Morg in the go to safe mid champ though.
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