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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
September 06 2014 03:04 GMT
#1121
On September 06 2014 12:01 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2014 12:00 LightningStrike wrote:
On September 06 2014 11:08 TheEmulator wrote:
So I finally got some more time to get to lvl 30, and now I want to start ranked. My only question is, what tier 3 runes do I need? Do I only need tier 3 or do I need some tier 2 as well?

I mostly play mid and ADC, so if someone can give me some tips on 1-2 rune pages that might be helpful for me I would be so happy. I have tons of IP btw so I should be ok when getting runes. Played with IP boosters quite a few times on my quest to lvl 30

For adc Flat AD Reds, Flat Armor Yellows, Flat MR Blues, and 2 LS and ! AD Quints. This my normal adc page but I only Silver 1 so take it with a grain of salt.

Pros have been using AD marks, Armor seals, 0-9 AS and/or MR glyphs, and AS quints.

I'm not sure why they are using AS glyphs as the bonus is so small it isn't even funny. I don't see the practicality of it.

Really? I must be behind but I think it because the fact Dorans Blade now gives life steal.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
JonnyLaw
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3482 Posts
September 06 2014 03:11 GMT
#1122
On September 06 2014 12:04 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2014 12:01 Gahlo wrote:
On September 06 2014 12:00 LightningStrike wrote:
On September 06 2014 11:08 TheEmulator wrote:
So I finally got some more time to get to lvl 30, and now I want to start ranked. My only question is, what tier 3 runes do I need? Do I only need tier 3 or do I need some tier 2 as well?

I mostly play mid and ADC, so if someone can give me some tips on 1-2 rune pages that might be helpful for me I would be so happy. I have tons of IP btw so I should be ok when getting runes. Played with IP boosters quite a few times on my quest to lvl 30

For adc Flat AD Reds, Flat Armor Yellows, Flat MR Blues, and 2 LS and ! AD Quints. This my normal adc page but I only Silver 1 so take it with a grain of salt.

Pros have been using AD marks, Armor seals, 0-9 AS and/or MR glyphs, and AS quints.

I'm not sure why they are using AS glyphs as the bonus is so small it isn't even funny. I don't see the practicality of it.

Really? I must be behind but I think it because the fact Dorans Blade now gives life steal.



Lifesteal quints got nerfed as well.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
September 06 2014 03:12 GMT
#1123
On September 06 2014 11:19 Goumindong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2014 11:05 Sufficiency wrote:
On September 06 2014 10:31 sob3k wrote:
On September 06 2014 10:25 Sufficiency wrote:
Morg mid is absolutely terrible. She practically wins no match ups and the only thing she can do is to pray and hope her lane opponent is bad.


morg has enough teamfight power and utility that she doesn't need to "win" mid many times.

Lets also be honest, in pro play there are very few 1v1 mid kills or someone getting straight pooped on and being unable to lane. Its a lot of roaming, coordinated ganks, and team movement, which morg can do pretty well. I'm not saying she's a good mid pick but she can be safe and supports ganks well and contributes a lot in teamfighting.


Her teamfight is actually not that great, at least not damage-wise. She is better as a support because she gets the same amount of CC without the amount of farm requirement.

She wasn't too strong prior to season 4 due to global gold too little for her to get a Zhonya.


Her teamfight is still great with a whole shit tonne of damage(.9 AP on Q! 750+ 1.5 AP on R!, 500+1.6 on W if you can get someone to stand in it). She just can't afford to level her primary team fight ability up because if you're mid lane you have to wave clear which means she needs points in W.

But at the same time her wave clear sucks anyway because W doesn't hard clear waves. Back in Season 2 when no almost no mids had strong wave clear and she could just AFK farm mid then Wraiths then mid then wraiths then maybe go gank a lane she was super strong. But now she is definitely better as a support. She can level her engage ability and her shield and still build a decent amount of damage.

She could be OK in mid, but knowing when you've got enough points in W so you can start leveling Q for fights takes a lot of getting used to and still leaves you with a weird hard to use power spike


Listing her ratios is extremely misleading when you do not consider the manner which she delivers the damage.

Her W is over 5 seconds and I giggled at the 1.6 AP ratio you listed on her W (check her wiki and come back). Her Q is a line collision skillshot and her R has very short range + requires tether maintenance. Overall, she either:

1. Can only throw her skills at a tank, because she has no Flash, or

2. She flashes in and hopefully catches someone squishy on the edge, then forced to Zhonya, keeping her unable to move.

Overall her ratio is extremely bad. Not to mention with her W changes she cannot very effectively shove the lane until level 7 and every other mid laner and their mothers can out trade her with ease.

Morgana mid is not good at all. She was only good when her W had MR reduction and every other mid laner also played the shove-the-lane style.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
September 06 2014 03:13 GMT
#1124
On September 06 2014 11:08 TheEmulator wrote:
So I finally got some more time to get to lvl 30, and now I want to start ranked. My only question is, what tier 3 runes do I need? Do I only need tier 3 or do I need some tier 2 as well?

I mostly play mid and ADC, so if someone can give me some tips on 1-2 rune pages that might be helpful for me I would be so happy. I have tons of IP btw so I should be ok when getting runes. Played with IP boosters quite a few times on my quest to lvl 30


AP: Magic pen marks, armour seals, MR/MR per level glyphs, QP quints
AD: AD marks, armour seals, MR/MR per level glyphs, attack speed quints
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-06 03:18:22
September 06 2014 03:14 GMT
#1125
Riot putting a stop to foreign imports.
http://na.lolesports.com/articles/interregional-movement-and-expansion-tournament

Key things to point out:
No current LCS or CS teams will be affected (with the exception of maybe Coast; I'm not entirely sure how their recent Korean imports will fare; it depends on what their jungler is classified as).
We also don't yet know the residency requirements, which should be released next week.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-06 03:25:05
September 06 2014 03:24 GMT
#1126
Not surprised at all on this move.


EDIT:

http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/2fludq/on_interregional_movement_and_the_expansion/ckagpgg

This is the best reaction IMO.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-06 03:38:45
September 06 2014 03:34 GMT
#1127
On September 06 2014 12:14 Ryuu314 wrote:
Riot putting a stop to foreign imports.
http://na.lolesports.com/articles/interregional-movement-and-expansion-tournament

Key things to point out:
No current LCS or CS teams will be affected (with the exception of maybe Coast; I'm not entirely sure how their recent Korean imports will fare; it depends on what their jungler is classified as).
We also don't yet know the residency requirements, which should be released next week.

I feel like Rivington wrote this article.

On September 06 2014 12:24 Sufficiency wrote:
Not surprised at all on this move.


EDIT:

http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/2fludq/on_interregional_movement_and_the_expansion/ckagpgg

This is the best reaction IMO.

I love the giant woosh on a replier.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
September 06 2014 03:39 GMT
#1128
NALCS confirmed for welfare league for starving NA pros.
liftlift > tsm
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-06 03:42:01
September 06 2014 03:41 GMT
#1129
On September 06 2014 12:39 wei2coolman wrote:
NALCS confirmed for welfare league for starving NA pros.


The American economy started out because there were tariffs. The same level of protectionism is applied to NALCS with this policy.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
September 06 2014 03:41 GMT
#1130
On September 06 2014 12:39 wei2coolman wrote:
NALCS confirmed for welfare league for starving NA pros.

Can't hear you over the Exempt LCS.
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
September 06 2014 04:00 GMT
#1131
This change also means CLG's ban from OGN is moot since it appears OGN also adopted this policy (though to what extent we don't know), meaning CLG can't play in OGN with their NA roster.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
September 06 2014 04:04 GMT
#1132
On September 06 2014 12:41 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2014 12:39 wei2coolman wrote:
NALCS confirmed for welfare league for starving NA pros.


The American economy started out because there were tariffs. The same level of protectionism is applied to NALCS with this policy.


Yea...thats just false.

NA has been doing fine internally because of the modern LCS, but it has been going backwards internationally...just like how tariffs just hurt your own people as a whole to benefit a small segment of the population.
Freeeeeeedom
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
September 06 2014 04:12 GMT
#1133
On September 06 2014 13:00 Ryuu314 wrote:
This change also means CLG's ban from OGN is moot since it appears OGN also adopted this policy (though to what extent we don't know), meaning CLG can't play in OGN with their NA roster.

Man, OGN is missing out on all those foreign teams that could be part of their tourney.
liftlift > tsm
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-06 04:15:45
September 06 2014 04:15 GMT
#1134
1
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
September 06 2014 04:41 GMT
#1135
Chinese regionals in 20 minutes HYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYPE!
JSH
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States4109 Posts
September 06 2014 04:45 GMT
#1136
On September 06 2014 11:50 Alaric wrote:

Show nested quote +
On September 06 2014 11:13 JSH wrote:
Morg used to be best at pushing waves
Max puddle and easy farm mode
No worries about ganks with shield
Just push all day and farm farm farm

She was never "the best". Malzahar, Mordekaiser (possibly Heimerdinger), Lux, TF and Galio with some AP etc. did better than her.


But no one pushed safer than Morg
She was virtually risk free as long as you had shield up

Sure Morde pushes waves like he was born for it, but he's probably going to die

I meant best as in overall I guess
TF and Lux is pretty safe pushing too now that you mention it, but morg is easy mode, you don't even have to think
"It's called a miracle because it doesn't happen" - Just like my chances of reaching C- on ICCUP
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-06 04:52:25
September 06 2014 04:49 GMT
#1137
On September 06 2014 13:41 Gahlo wrote:
Chinese regionals in 20 minutes HYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYPE!

Why did I have to move east for work...it's almost 1am after a workday T.T

But it's also some of the first league I'll have watched in a long time.

On September 06 2014 13:45 JSH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2014 11:50 Alaric wrote:

On September 06 2014 11:13 JSH wrote:
Morg used to be best at pushing waves
Max puddle and easy farm mode
No worries about ganks with shield
Just push all day and farm farm farm

She was never "the best". Malzahar, Mordekaiser (possibly Heimerdinger), Lux, TF and Galio with some AP etc. did better than her.


But no one pushed safer than Morg
She was virtually risk free as long as you had shield up

Sure Morde pushes waves like he was born for it, but he's probably going to die

I meant best as in overall I guess
TF and Lux is pretty safe pushing too now that you mention it, but morg is easy mode, you don't even have to think

Back when black shield was like 10s CD, all her skills were 0.9 or 1.0, she was definitely the safest mid. Black shield uptime was simply far, far too high to ever have a chance at killing a competent morg until much later in the game.

Also the ridiculous spellvamp(half a potion+ per W if you placed it right), and lack of AD mids helped a ton as well.
Porouscloud - NA LoL
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
September 06 2014 04:52 GMT
#1138
On September 06 2014 13:49 Amui wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2014 13:41 Gahlo wrote:
Chinese regionals in 20 minutes HYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYPE!

Why did I have to move east for work...it's almost 1am after a workday T.T

But it's also some of the first league I'll have watched in a long time.

I feel ya man, I'm barely operating thanks to Coke.
Chexx
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)11232 Posts
September 06 2014 05:01 GMT
#1139
NA/EU is dead, long live NA/EU
WriterFollow me @TL_Chexx
TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28103 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-06 05:13:17
September 06 2014 05:02 GMT
#1140
On September 06 2014 13:41 Gahlo wrote:
Chinese regionals in 20 minutes HYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYPE!

Yeah, I'm tuning in to watch some tonight. Who is the favourite going in?

edit: dang, they got a full Orchestra to open. Super cool.

ok. plz bring back the Orchestra.
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