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On September 03 2014 00:09 Numy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2014 23:56 obesechicken13 wrote:On September 02 2014 23:47 overt wrote:On September 02 2014 23:36 Gahlo wrote:On September 02 2014 23:34 overt wrote:
So I took like a 6 month break from League and pretty much just played Hearthstone and Dota2 in my free time. Since coming back to League I realized that I never appreciated how much the community complains in LoL. Not that Dota or Hearth players don't complain but in League peoples first reaction to something is that it should be nerfed if they think it's "too good" and after playing Dota (where I almost never heard "nerf pls") I decided to not be one of those people.
I think Riot is partially to blame considering the way they approach every problem is to nerf and ignore but damn. It's like the parent that handles every problem by giving their kid a toy and wonders why he's spoiled. It'd just be refreshing if the greater community of a place like r/leagueoflegends would be more about ways to counter the fotm instead of why it needs to get nerfed now because it's "too strong." But I guess that ultimately the fotm is determined by Riot patching so there's little incentive to figure out how to play around something. Idk, I still think it'd help the game if Riot just took like a 3 month break from patching and let the community sort the balance of the game out itself (like the way the majority of online games have worked).
Sorry for the rant, on the positive end I think league is still pretty fun and I did miss playing it so props to Riot for that. The new launcher looks nice too. The problem with suggesting counters on reddit is that the mob mentality mass downvotes you because they don't like your opinion, which isn't the downvote in the first place, so people either don't see the comment or think it's a bad one. Yeah, it's a community problem but something that I noticed in Dota2's subreddit was that when a hero would come up in a thread or during the weekly hero discussion threads when someone had problems dealing with a hero there would always be a few comments about how to counter or play around the hero. I very rarely saw a single comment about 'it's too good valve needs to nerf' and commonly saw suggestions about how to play around it. I think most of this is due to IceFrog's balance approach where everything that's strong doesn't get instantly nerfed so the community is forced to address heroes that arise as too strong. It'd be nice if League worked like that too. I do agree. LoL's pampered with regards to balancing. I rarely ever feel a champion needs balance changes or that the changes are good. And in DotA almost every hero if ported to LoL could cause rage. I'd argue Void has less counterplay than Rengar Prime. Edit: Also there's harder counterpicks so talking about counters makes more sense. Some heroes are ridiculously strong/weak early game. TA needs someone who has a DoT to break refraction, and PA needs someone with mkb to break evasion. Actually think your edit is a misconception. Laning is a lot more important in league and a lot more isolated so they tends to be more "hard counters" or counterpicks in league than in Dota. The only lane that really has counter picking is Mid and even then in most cases you can still try form a stall lane or get enough out of it to be effective later. Your example is also not 100% correct as you don't need DoTs to deal with TA nor do you need MKBs to deal with PA, they merely help. It's too late now for Riot to try fix the communities mentality. I also think they don't really want to. Constantly patching the strong is a lot easier than creating an ecosystem where it's healthy enough for the community to deal with the strong.
I would just add that I think that league "OP" champions don't have the ways to shut them down, or power troughs you can take advantage of in the dota style. Like, Trist became fotm not because her strength was made stronger, or people figured out how to work around it. She became viable (then immediately op/strong) because her weaknesses that were built into the design and balance got eliminated.
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On September 03 2014 01:41 IamPryda wrote:
Wards in solo q are Like giving a blind person a flashlight.
L. O. L. This is the most accurate idiom ever.
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just watched a summoning insight for the first time, holy fuck thorin is annoying as fuck, bringing up logical fallacies and shit like he knows what they are and he's not like all other retarded sports journalists who try to quantify everything.
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On September 03 2014 03:14 Capped wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2014 01:41 IamPryda wrote:
Wards in solo q are Like giving a blind person a flashlight. L. O. L. This is the most accurate idiom ever.
how depressing ):
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On September 03 2014 03:35 zulu_nation8 wrote:
just watched a summoning insight for the first time, holy fuck thorin is annoying as fuck, bringing up logical fallacies and shit like he knows what they are and he's not like all other retarded sports journalists who try to quantify everything.
That is part of the charm.Doubt there are many people who watch it for a reason other than cause it is funny.
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On September 03 2014 03:35 zulu_nation8 wrote:
just watched a summoning insight for the first time, holy fuck thorin is annoying as fuck, bringing up logical fallacies and shit like he knows what they are and he's not like all other retarded sports journalists who try to quantify everything.
He annoys me more than any other "league personality". I'm sure many people find his blunt douchebaggery funny but I just think it's stupid.
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SI is like mini-reflections, but with a lot more fluff. Still get to learn something new about players and teams every now and then.
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On September 03 2014 03:35 zulu_nation8 wrote:
just watched a summoning insight for the first time, holy fuck thorin is annoying as fuck, bringing up logical fallacies and shit like he knows what they are and he's not like all other retarded sports journalists who try to quantify everything.
The fact that thorin hasn't been "exiled" from the LoL community yet astounds me.
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Thorin is a self-indulgent buffon with zero social mores who thinks he's some sort of Paxman-esque (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremy_Paxman) figure in esports journalism where he has neither the tact nor talent of Paxman on mic. His rambling question lead ins are inane to the nth degree and add nothing to the actual interview. His articles can be good and he certainly has put some amount of work into watching several esports in depth while covering them (not like a certain Slasher...) but terrible shit comes out of his mouth far too often.
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On September 03 2014 04:29 Disengaged wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2014 03:35 zulu_nation8 wrote:
just watched a summoning insight for the first time, holy fuck thorin is annoying as fuck, bringing up logical fallacies and shit like he knows what they are and he's not like all other retarded sports journalists who try to quantify everything. The fact that thorin hasn't been "exiled" from the LoL community yet astounds me.
You see, if there was someone else who did talk shows that comprised more than simply praising everyone, asking softball questions, and buddying up with players, maybe he would be.
He probably is a bit too Skip Baylessy, but when everyone else is way too Chris Berman-y, he needs to stay.
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I don't see any other show doing LoL content?
Any good videos on how to jungle?
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Watch TheOddOne whenever he streams, which is pretty often. I learned the basics of jungling by watching him, improved my play a lot.
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On September 03 2014 01:21 GrandInquisitor wrote:
New experiment -- I'm going to start building Sightstone after my Spirit item on every non-glass cannon jungler from now on. Good / bad idea?
good idea. Worth experimenting with.
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On September 03 2014 01:33 lilwisper wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2014 01:21 GrandInquisitor wrote:
New experiment -- I'm going to start building Sightstone after my Spirit item on every non-glass cannon jungler from now on. Good / bad idea? Aren't the Spirit items usually getting finished around the time the lanes break that first tower or two and people start to roam? It seems smart to have an item that builds health for the more tanky/bruiser junglers that also allows you to start your vision pressure.
That's exactly it. In addition, the support often just hasn't had a chance to roam to the opposite jungle, or has just used up their Sightstone charges. Not to mention that this helps ease inventory slot restrictions, and forcing myself to pay $800 for a Sightstone ensures I have the discipline to actually buy and place wards (because otherwise, let's face it, if I back with $1000, I'm not going to buy a ward, I'm getting that Giant's Belt instead).
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Don't see a point honestly.Unless you are playing on a good and coordinated team getting sightstone is just a waste.Just get actual items.
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i definitely think you'll win more solo queue games jungling with an attitude inclined towards carrying more than supporting.
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On September 03 2014 05:22 nafta wrote:
Don't see a point honestly.Unless you are playing on a good and coordinated team getting sightstone is just a waste.Just get actual items.
But you would never say the same thing to a support no?
The jungler should buy sightstone if they're not glass. Frankly the jungler should probably buy sightstone in leiu of the support if they're a tankier champion and you're only getting one. Sightstone is basically the old Heart of Gold but more efficient so long as you actually place the wards(if you place 3 wards/3 minutes you're at 12.5 GP/10).
If the meta today originated out of whole cloth instead of coming from the meta where the support was a ward bitch junglers would buy the sightstone.
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So, uh, that Renekton visual update isn't anything special.
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