EPT[Patch 4.15] Master Tier General Discussion - Page 43
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On September 03 2014 12:17 iCanada wrote: Clearly cuz CLG fanboi, sufficiency. I dunno, maybe I'm just a salty CLG antifan who thought they never shoulda kicked Saint, but its made me laugh pretty hard. The laugh just gets me, and then one of the context words hits and tears come out. /shrug Its like watching Day9, just like... old spanish dude. I am actually one of the biggest CLG anti-fans out there. | ||
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justiceknight
Singapore5741 Posts
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lilwisper
United States2515 Posts
On September 03 2014 12:17 iCanada wrote: Clearly cuz CLG fanboi, sufficiency. I dunno, maybe I'm just a salty CLG antifan who thought they never shoulda kicked Saint, but its made me laugh pretty hard. The laugh just gets me, and then one of the context words hits and tears come out. /shrug Its like watching Day9, just like... old spanish dude. Yeah it's that cackle for sure. It's the biggest part of that video, plus the captions were well done timing and content wise. Lines that were said repeated had the same captions to them ( the 3-0 for instance). | ||
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Capped
United Kingdom7236 Posts
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
- I suck at Vayne. I can beat people in silver, but not so much in gold (20-14) - Fiddlesticks jungle is some good times. I played Fiddlesticks support in the past, but not really jungle (38-16) - Garen is pretty bad, but pressing E and then /joke is one of the greatest things in the game (3-5) - 125/162 wins were on 4 champions (Fiddlesticks, Vayne, Tryndamere and Annie) - Meanwhile, on Kennen, Karthus, Gangplank, Heimerdinger, Warwick, Garen, Master Yi and Nocturne, I went a combined 22-39 - When I first made my smurf, my main was in D1. I didn't really play on it much for a while, and now I'm in D4.  - In the third win of my series to diamond, their graves had AP runes and 0/21/9 masteries. He somehow first blooded out Caitlyn. | ||
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schmutttt
Australia3856 Posts
On September 03 2014 12:59 VayneAuthority wrote: he sees competitive playtime in korea and I believe pr0lly has played him as well. Usually to counter talon in korea I believe and a couple others. Jayce counters talon? How? | ||
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AetherZucchini
Switzerland24 Posts
Pre-6 he can harass him fairly easily and out-trades him hard if Talon tries to go on him. This should allow Jayce to secure a significant enough lead to not die to the lvl 6 all-in. He can also shove pretty hard, so he basically makes it hard for Talon to snowball in his two favorite ways : stomping his opponent and ganking sidelanes | ||
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Osmoses
Sweden5302 Posts
Jayce is squishy as fuck and talon has a nuke that starts with a silence and ends with stealth. That means pre 6 jayce cannot go for his melee combo and his ranged harass is not enough to overpower cloth 5, and post 6 jayce gets destroyed by the allin unless he builds defense, which essentially leaves him useless. You have experience to the contrary? | ||
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M2
Bulgaria4168 Posts
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zodde
Sweden1908 Posts
On September 03 2014 19:44 Osmoses wrote: OK, this is just theory as I haven't played the specific matchup, but : Jayce is squishy as fuck and talon has a nuke that starts with a silence and ends with stealth. That means pre 6 jayce cannot go for his melee combo and his ranged harass is not enough to overpower cloth 5, and post 6 jayce gets destroyed by the allin unless he builds defense, which essentially leaves him useless. You have experience to the contrary? Pre6, jayce probably wrecks talon really hard if talon ever tried to go in on jayce. That means jayce is free to poke the living hell out of talon until lvl 6, giving him a decent lead in the lane. Pawn counterpicked fakers talon with jayce in ogn recently for example. | ||
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kongoline
6318 Posts
On September 03 2014 19:50 M2 wrote: How come Zilean is so popular now? I mean in soloQ, people even ban him? What changed? I mean I perfectly know Zilean, since I was playing him a lot as support and people were calling me troll and even dodged games and suddenly he is OP or something. Last time I checked his last update was actually a bug fix nerf. Hes gay as fuck to play against, gl fighting late game vs hyper carries which are very popular right now with 2nd life | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22550 Posts
On September 03 2014 19:50 M2 wrote: How come Zilean is so popular now? I mean in soloQ, people even ban him? What changed? I mean I perfectly know Zilean, since I was playing him a lot as support and people were calling me troll and even dodged games and suddenly he is OP or something. Last time I checked his last update was actually a bug fix nerf. Just the usual LoL community blindly copying pro's. | ||
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AetherZucchini
Switzerland24 Posts
On September 03 2014 19:44 Osmoses wrote: OK, this is just theory as I haven't played the specific matchup, but : Jayce is squishy as fuck and talon has a nuke that starts with a silence and ends with stealth. That means pre 6 jayce cannot go for his melee combo and his ranged harass is not enough to overpower cloth 5, and post 6 jayce gets destroyed by the allin unless he builds defense, which essentially leaves him useless. You have experience to the contrary? Talon doesn't hit that hard pre 6, because E does not deal damage (the damage amplifier is too weak early to be accounted for), leaving him with only Q and W, which in no way can outpower the 6 spell rotation of Jayce early. Also, The cooldown on E is rather long, which means free lane for Jayce after Talon all-ined. Starting cloth5 mitigates Jayce's harass but also makes any of your attempts at riposting extremely weak, so while it might help you farm you won't be able to turn the lane. At 6, the only way you are going to 100-0 Jayce is with brutalizer, and I'm not sure you could afford it by this point when going cloth5 (assuming non-perfect CS since Jayce is going to deny you some). Later on in the game, sure, Talon will blow up Jayce like most squishies, but playboy seems to be a good pick to slow him down. He's also good at leading the objective game to allow his team to secure jungle control, which can hurt Talon's ability to make picks. Probably not a "hard lane counter", but probably an efficient counter-pick, if you and your team know what you are doing. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On September 03 2014 19:50 M2 wrote: How come Zilean is so popular now? I mean in soloQ, people even ban him? What changed? I mean I perfectly know Zilean, since I was playing him a lot as support and people were calling me troll and even dodged games and suddenly he is OP or something. Last time I checked his last update was actually a bug fix nerf. Pro play happened. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On September 03 2014 19:59 Gorsameth wrote: Just the usual LoL community blindly copying pro's. Didn't they nerf a lot of the all in supports that Zilean is pretty bad against early? or was it that he was bad against sustain. | ||
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Prog
United Kingdom1470 Posts
And less Caitlyn also helps a little bit, because Zilean has a great autoattack range and some of the fotm adcs do have a more difficult time to answer his autos (have to use mana, or have a very short timewindow to answer). | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
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