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Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35172 Posts
August 08 2014 05:19 GMT
#961
On August 08 2014 14:17 GolemMadness wrote:
I just wanted to be cool. Why did you have to crush my dreams...

I feel like I should start playing Rammus. His win rate has been so high for so long, but nobody ever plays him, and he's just generally considered to be bad.

Rammus is a funny case of soloque catch 22. Rammus is bad because Mikael's exists, but Rammus is good because nobody buys it.
TyrantPotato
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Australia1541 Posts
August 08 2014 05:57 GMT
#962
on the case of jungle (bit late perhaps) the most enjoyment i got (as a spectator) was early last split. With wukong/kha/lee/elise/eve/panth/noc being played rather evenly.

But riot took the nerf bat to half those champions so whatever -.-
Forever ZeNEX.
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-08 06:07:41
August 08 2014 06:07 GMT
#963
On August 08 2014 14:57 TyrantPotato wrote:
on the case of jungle (bit late perhaps) the most enjoyment i got (as a spectator) was early last split. With wukong/kha/lee/elise/eve/panth/noc being played rather evenly.

But riot took the nerf bat to half those champions so whatever -.-

Kha/wukong/panth would be viable with just tiny numbers buffs. Khazix for example, they could've reduced the damage reduction to something more reasonable like 25 or 30%. Wukong might be okay if Q scaled from 15 or 20 to 30. Panth just needs ult channel time reduced by like 0.5s. Tiny little buffs, and while they might not be fb/fp, they'd be viable, and that's where everything should be.
Porouscloud - NA LoL
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35172 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-08 06:15:27
August 08 2014 06:09 GMT
#964
NA ded?

e. nvm, ddosed.
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29904 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-08 06:34:54
August 08 2014 06:32 GMT
#965
Jesus, finally they're updating Kog's E, because it was goddamn terrible.

Also the more I look onto Riot Kayle skin the more I want to buy it... but damn Kayle got nerfed pretty hard :\

Also I'm wondering which champ is getting new ultimate skin. His spell 4th letter is "A".

http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/2cwihg/limiting_the_champion_pool_for_ultimate_skin_to_7/

Hoping it's Lux / Xerath. Hecarim probably not, because of Arcade, Nautilus has Astro, Skarner is meh and I have no idea how to make an ultimate skin for Eve :D
WriterSalty oldboy that loves memes | One and only back-to-back Liquibet Winner
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
August 08 2014 06:50 GMT
#966
If they make an ultimate skin for Eve I just might have to buy my first skin.
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29904 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-08 06:59:30
August 08 2014 06:59 GMT
#967
I know this belongs to funny vids and pics but I couldn't resist.

+ Show Spoiler +
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schmutttt
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia3856 Posts
August 08 2014 08:05 GMT
#968
On August 08 2014 13:23 Volband wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2014 12:49 onlywonderboy wrote:
On August 08 2014 12:47 ticklishmusic wrote:
On August 08 2014 00:31 obesechicken13 wrote:
On August 07 2014 19:37 Numy wrote:
On August 07 2014 18:24 obesechicken13 wrote:
On August 07 2014 17:22 JazzVortical wrote:
In other jungle news, Morello says recent jungle direction has been completely wrong.

. In fact, I think our jungle direction has been completely backwards over the last few seasons. That's our bad and I think the results are clear.

To that, returning different ways to succeed at the jungle is key to restoring choice, and making it not a chain-gank fest in lanes. I'll give more details on this in the coming months, but directionally we're totally in agreement.



Thread: http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=4759361

It's too late. I'm a dota player now. Stop trying to woo me back morello. It's not going to work...

well maybe I can try out the new jungle.


They have been saying they want farming "carry" junglers for 3 seasons now. Pretty sure nothing will change with new jungle either. I'm not even sure why they think it's a good idea in the first place.

I was pretty content with S2 jungle. Felt I had a lot more combat stats when teamfights started breaking out and gank potential.

Or maybe I wasn't content and I just know what I'm missing out on now.


But remember, everything was OP season 2. Or at least everything has been nerfed since then.

Fuck that. Double GP10 Jungle in Season 2 was super lame.

Which evolved into triple by the end of the season.


That feel as maokai when you are fed so you buy triple gp10, oracles and mob boots and do nothing but clear wards.
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
August 08 2014 08:17 GMT
#969
On August 08 2014 17:05 schmutttt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2014 13:23 Volband wrote:
On August 08 2014 12:49 onlywonderboy wrote:
On August 08 2014 12:47 ticklishmusic wrote:
On August 08 2014 00:31 obesechicken13 wrote:
On August 07 2014 19:37 Numy wrote:
On August 07 2014 18:24 obesechicken13 wrote:
On August 07 2014 17:22 JazzVortical wrote:
In other jungle news, Morello says recent jungle direction has been completely wrong.

. In fact, I think our jungle direction has been completely backwards over the last few seasons. That's our bad and I think the results are clear.

To that, returning different ways to succeed at the jungle is key to restoring choice, and making it not a chain-gank fest in lanes. I'll give more details on this in the coming months, but directionally we're totally in agreement.



Thread: http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=4759361

It's too late. I'm a dota player now. Stop trying to woo me back morello. It's not going to work...

well maybe I can try out the new jungle.


They have been saying they want farming "carry" junglers for 3 seasons now. Pretty sure nothing will change with new jungle either. I'm not even sure why they think it's a good idea in the first place.

I was pretty content with S2 jungle. Felt I had a lot more combat stats when teamfights started breaking out and gank potential.

Or maybe I wasn't content and I just know what I'm missing out on now.


But remember, everything was OP season 2. Or at least everything has been nerfed since then.

Fuck that. Double GP10 Jungle in Season 2 was super lame.

Which evolved into triple by the end of the season.


That feel as maokai when you are fed so you buy triple gp10, oracles and mob boots and do nothing but clear wards.

How about no. That was probably the worst era of junglers, where jungle creeps died in like 2 hits, your laners took everything so you just ran around to gank the shit out of every lane and clear wards, and maybe 40 minutes in, you might finish shurelya's and randuins.
Porouscloud - NA LoL
JazzVortical
Profile Joined July 2013
Australia1825 Posts
August 08 2014 08:23 GMT
#970
On August 08 2014 15:32 739 wrote:
Jesus, finally they're updating Kog's E, because it was goddamn terrible.

Also the more I look onto Riot Kayle skin the more I want to buy it... but damn Kayle got nerfed pretty hard :\

Also I'm wondering which champ is getting new ultimate skin. His spell 4th letter is "A".

http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/2cwihg/limiting_the_champion_pool_for_ultimate_skin_to_7/

Hoping it's Lux / Xerath. Hecarim probably not, because of Arcade, Nautilus has Astro, Skarner is meh and I have no idea how to make an ultimate skin for Eve :D

Lux has a tonne of skins already though.

I'm suspecting Eve. She has barely any.
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
August 08 2014 08:24 GMT
#971
the most pure time in jungling, where they were truly the 4th position.
Maluk
Profile Joined August 2011
France987 Posts
August 08 2014 08:39 GMT
#972
On August 08 2014 14:17 GolemMadness wrote:
I feel like I should start playing Rammus. His win rate has been so high for so long, but nobody ever plays him, and he's just generally considered to be bad.


I think Rammus has a high winrate because he's one of the absolute least fun champions to play which means that no one would have the idea to "main" him or spam him regardless of the enemy team comp. It seems like he's more used as a "counterpick" when you realize that your opponents are heavy on AD damage and then he becomes a freelo pick.
JonnyLaw
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3482 Posts
August 08 2014 08:42 GMT
#973
On August 08 2014 17:23 JazzVortical wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2014 15:32 739 wrote:
Jesus, finally they're updating Kog's E, because it was goddamn terrible.

Also the more I look onto Riot Kayle skin the more I want to buy it... but damn Kayle got nerfed pretty hard :\

Also I'm wondering which champ is getting new ultimate skin. His spell 4th letter is "A".

http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/2cwihg/limiting_the_champion_pool_for_ultimate_skin_to_7/

Hoping it's Lux / Xerath. Hecarim probably not, because of Arcade, Nautilus has Astro, Skarner is meh and I have no idea how to make an ultimate skin for Eve :D

Lux has a tonne of skins already though.

I'm suspecting Eve. She has barely any.



The champion getting the Ultimate skin have "A" as the 4th letter of one of his abilities. I get passives in too, and made a table resuming the stuff. Checking everything, here are the results
.

I don't think there's an "a" in evelynn.

It's clearly Khazix.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
August 08 2014 08:44 GMT
#974
Na, Eve's model is outdated and they'd like to redo it apparently, so it' probably Lux. I mean, Ezreal has a fuckton of skins already, doesn't stop them. I feel like they could really go crazy with Nautilus or Hecarim but they aren't popular enough.

And Wukong/Pantheon/etc. didn't need to get nerfed, they only came into the jungle because they were already too weak to offlane and the meta didn't favour physical melee mids. It had nothing to do with them being good junglers, but them having desirable traits (ganking potential from Pantheon, AoE initiation from Wukong) that teams wanted to have but had to jungle them because it was the only place they could fir them in.
Zzz goddamn Riot.

On August 08 2014 14:19 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2014 14:17 GolemMadness wrote:
I just wanted to be cool. Why did you have to crush my dreams...

I feel like I should start playing Rammus. His win rate has been so high for so long, but nobody ever plays him, and he's just generally considered to be bad.

Rammus is a funny case of soloque catch 22. Rammus is bad because Mikael's exists, but Rammus is good because nobody buys it.

*QSS, been there for 2 more seasons at least

Rammus has a single-target cc which, while point'n'click, has very short range when he has no way of reaching a protected target without Flash (because it's easier to bodyblock a QE than a RE from Ahri for example). Also he's no good at really "catching" ranged champions because he can't drag them.
Also 3s -> 2.25s, 25% duration reduction thanks Riot.
He's designed as a tank but has issues catching mobile enemies and only has one single-target cc, with meh duration considering all this, and on a long-ish cooldown.

I wonder how they build Rammus but he seems so weak lategame because of the "only one single-target cc" (not sure about Q but even if it can technically interrupt dashes doesn't it have a small time before the knock-up is "available" upon activation, meaning you have to predict?), he doesn't do that much dps ('cause he doesn't really force you to attack him compared to, say, Maokai or Mundo) and his steroid's uptime isn't that good.
So they try to snowball with him, also counteracting his slow clear somehow?

I mean, Rammus is cool, but I'm so perplexed as to how they make it work (I assume Sunfire is core to make up for his meh damage).
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29904 Posts
August 08 2014 08:49 GMT
#975
On August 08 2014 17:42 JonnyLaw wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2014 17:23 JazzVortical wrote:
On August 08 2014 15:32 739 wrote:
Jesus, finally they're updating Kog's E, because it was goddamn terrible.

Also the more I look onto Riot Kayle skin the more I want to buy it... but damn Kayle got nerfed pretty hard :\

Also I'm wondering which champ is getting new ultimate skin. His spell 4th letter is "A".

http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/2cwihg/limiting_the_champion_pool_for_ultimate_skin_to_7/

Hoping it's Lux / Xerath. Hecarim probably not, because of Arcade, Nautilus has Astro, Skarner is meh and I have no idea how to make an ultimate skin for Eve :D

Lux has a tonne of skins already though.

I'm suspecting Eve. She has barely any.



Show nested quote +
The champion getting the Ultimate skin have "A" as the 4th letter of one of his abilities. I get passives in too, and made a table resuming the stuff. Checking everything, here are the results
.

I don't think there's an "a" in evelynn.

It's clearly Khazix.

.... "A" as the 4th letter of one of his abilities, no "A" in champions name, lol, read carefully ^^
Rengar with ultimate skin would be sick, but out of those posibilities that are pointed out by reddit, I'd love to have Lux I guess.
WriterSalty oldboy that loves memes | One and only back-to-back Liquibet Winner
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
August 08 2014 08:50 GMT
#976
I think it's going to be Xerath.
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
Mikau
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Netherlands1446 Posts
August 08 2014 08:50 GMT
#977
On August 08 2014 17:42 JonnyLaw wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2014 17:23 JazzVortical wrote:
On August 08 2014 15:32 739 wrote:
Jesus, finally they're updating Kog's E, because it was goddamn terrible.

Also the more I look onto Riot Kayle skin the more I want to buy it... but damn Kayle got nerfed pretty hard :\

Also I'm wondering which champ is getting new ultimate skin. His spell 4th letter is "A".

http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/2cwihg/limiting_the_champion_pool_for_ultimate_skin_to_7/

Hoping it's Lux / Xerath. Hecarim probably not, because of Arcade, Nautilus has Astro, Skarner is meh and I have no idea how to make an ultimate skin for Eve :D

Lux has a tonne of skins already though.

I'm suspecting Eve. She has barely any.



Show nested quote +
The champion getting the Ultimate skin have "A" as the 4th letter of one of his abilities. I get passives in too, and made a table resuming the stuff. Checking everything, here are the results
.

I don't think there's an "a" in evelynn.

It's clearly Khazix.

Ravage is one of Eve's skills, and the 4th letter is an A. It could be Eve.
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
August 08 2014 09:55 GMT
#978
On August 08 2014 17:50 GolemMadness wrote:
I think it's going to be Xerath.

how would you do an ultimate xerath though. Both his current skins are almost recolors. It's the same problem as zac, where there's not that much to work with in the first place.
Porouscloud - NA LoL
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29904 Posts
August 08 2014 10:02 GMT
#979
On August 08 2014 18:55 Amui wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2014 17:50 GolemMadness wrote:
I think it's going to be Xerath.

how would you do an ultimate xerath though. Both his current skins are almost recolors. It's the same problem as zac, where there's not that much to work with in the first place.

They should do Mud Golem Zac skin !
WriterSalty oldboy that loves memes | One and only back-to-back Liquibet Winner
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35172 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-08 11:27:24
August 08 2014 11:01 GMT
#980
On August 08 2014 17:44 Alaric wrote:
Na, Eve's model is outdated and they'd like to redo it apparently, so it' probably Lux. I mean, Ezreal has a fuckton of skins already, doesn't stop them. I feel like they could really go crazy with Nautilus or Hecarim but they aren't popular enough.

And Wukong/Pantheon/etc. didn't need to get nerfed, they only came into the jungle because they were already too weak to offlane and the meta didn't favour physical melee mids. It had nothing to do with them being good junglers, but them having desirable traits (ganking potential from Pantheon, AoE initiation from Wukong) that teams wanted to have but had to jungle them because it was the only place they could fir them in.
Zzz goddamn Riot.

Show nested quote +
On August 08 2014 14:19 Gahlo wrote:
On August 08 2014 14:17 GolemMadness wrote:
I just wanted to be cool. Why did you have to crush my dreams...

I feel like I should start playing Rammus. His win rate has been so high for so long, but nobody ever plays him, and he's just generally considered to be bad.

Rammus is a funny case of soloque catch 22. Rammus is bad because Mikael's exists, but Rammus is good because nobody buys it.

*QSS, been there for 2 more seasons at least

Yeah, but it makes more sense for the support to Mikael's up to deal with Rammus than for an entire team to QSS.

Do we not have an LPL thread?
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