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On July 15 2014 17:07 arb wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2014 15:59 IamPryda wrote:
His late game is far from garbage. And his scaling being poor is blown out of proportion. And honestly how many games are u getting to 6 item sej and wu. And sure let's buff lee because silver league players can't ward jump lolol. I would take almost any 6 item jungle over a 6 item lee pretty much anytime. Lee excels and shits on everyone when he's ahead, but when they start getting even/pulling a bit ahead his problems become alot more obvious. and no his late game being shitty isnt blown out of proportion by any means
He's one of the best champs (if not the best) at avoiding said shitty late game though, and his late game doesn't make up for his stellar early performance.
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I hope lee doesn't get nerfed.This game needs more champs that aren't faceroll not less.Hope riot nerf exhaust soonish too.Some assassins other than fizz/yasuo would be great to see.
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On July 15 2014 20:49 nafta wrote:
I hope lee doesn't get nerfed.This game needs more champs that aren't faceroll not less.Hope riot nerf exhaust soonish too.Some assassins other than fizz/yasuo would be great to see.
Yasuo's problem is not exhaust Oo he's still picked/banned pretty often, even at the pro level.
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Australia18228 Posts
On July 15 2014 14:36 cLutZ wrote:
Id also prefer Lee to not be nerfed, but I just would like to know WHY he hasn't been, even though others have dropped like flies around him (also Thresh). Also, I'd like to know why some champions get straight up nerfed when they get strong, like Olaf (even post rework Olaf), Nasus, and Jax; while other OP/Overused champions get their power juggled around like Khazix and Renekton.
I mean, I at least understand Kassadin because they are trying to rework him into a state that makes sense, but hell, I dont understand which champs get reworked. Nidalee, Skarner, and Xerath before Poppy, Sion, and Yorick? Or what about Gragas? His rework didn't (and still doesnt) make any sense even at the time!
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Ghostcrawler said, I think it was yesterday, that the reason they haven't nerfed Lee again yet is because they don't know how to give him an actual weakness without ruining what he's good at.
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United Kingdom50293 Posts
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World finals are close - out of respect for players and fans, violently mixing up the game is wrong
lol.......
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On July 15 2014 21:34 nafta wrote:World finals are close - out of respect for players and fans, violently mixing up the game is wrong lol.......
Heaven forbid Riot learns from it's mistakes.
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On July 15 2014 21:43 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2014 21:34 nafta wrote:World finals are close - out of respect for players and fans, violently mixing up the game is wrong lol....... Heaven forbid Riot learns from it's mistakes.
I am laughing because that is the most retarded reason I have heard.Unless nerfing a champion takes more than a month don't see how we are that close to the world championship.
They could have done it by now as well.
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"People would be mad", "We don't know what to do", "To close to worlds".
I see Riot has taken a page from Blizzards recent antics and it just shouting every reason they can think of hoping one is accepted and people forget about it for another 6 months.
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they also flat out denied they change champions to round them out also. they tend to say a lot of things. if it was really too close to worlds to cause any changes, then they would just keep the tournament server on its current patch until after worlds, right?
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The new SotAG is pretty good on Lee, the item is like Rabadon's for tankiness. Get that and midgame you can yolodash to enemy champs under tower without dying. Chances the risk-reward for Lee way too much, used to be you had to choose to build a ton of damage or a ton of tankiness, now you build SotAG + whatever you want and wreck.
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On July 15 2014 13:47 Slusher wrote:
Lee is the best because they've nerfed like 1 jungler a month since worlds.
and nerfed flare like 3 more times after the nerf that got it balanced thus making flare junglers bad again.
lets get some buffs going on pls
Flare was by far the dumbest thing I have ever seen. They introduce an item to let "farming" junglers be better but it only kicks in so late that it's pointless. So instead of changing the item around they buff it so hard that it dominates the game and doesn't do what they wanted it to do. Then they decided "oh shit this isn't what we wanted" so olaf the item. It's like Riot forgot how to make games when they introduced FF.
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Well the "too close to worlds" is a good reason, you don't want it to be like last years when they buffed triforce like 1week before worlds and it completely changed everything. However I'm quite sure they will still do major balance changes before worlds so ... l0l.
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United States47024 Posts
On July 15 2014 23:37 Numy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2014 13:47 Slusher wrote:
Lee is the best because they've nerfed like 1 jungler a month since worlds.
and nerfed flare like 3 more times after the nerf that got it balanced thus making flare junglers bad again.
lets get some buffs going on pls Flare was by far the dumbest thing I have ever seen. They introduce an item to let "farming" junglers be better but it only kicks in so late that it's pointless. So instead of changing the item around they buff it so hard that it dominates the game and doesn't do what they wanted it to do. Then they decided "oh shit this isn't what we wanted" so olaf the item. It's like Riot forgot how to make games when they introduced FF.
I feel like Riot never quite accepted the farming/ganking dichotomy between single-target and AoE junglers, where AoE junglers tended to be a lot better farmers because AoE clears faster, while single-target junglers tended to be better gankers because single-target damage is better suited for focusing down one champion. So we got this weird state where they wanted single target junglers to be weaker gankers but stronger farmers--which ended up necessitating the Wight camp and an item like Feral Flare.
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United States15536 Posts
I can't wait to call it Toad camp.
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On July 15 2014 23:50 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2014 23:37 Numy wrote:On July 15 2014 13:47 Slusher wrote:
Lee is the best because they've nerfed like 1 jungler a month since worlds.
and nerfed flare like 3 more times after the nerf that got it balanced thus making flare junglers bad again.
lets get some buffs going on pls Flare was by far the dumbest thing I have ever seen. They introduce an item to let "farming" junglers be better but it only kicks in so late that it's pointless. So instead of changing the item around they buff it so hard that it dominates the game and doesn't do what they wanted it to do. Then they decided "oh shit this isn't what we wanted" so olaf the item. It's like Riot forgot how to make games when they introduced FF. I feel like Riot never quite accepted the farming/ganking dichotomy between single-target and AoE junglers, where AoE junglers tended to be a lot better farmers because AoE clears faster, while single-target junglers tended to be better gankers because single-target damage is better suited for focusing down one champion. So we got this weird state where they wanted single target junglers to be weaker gankers but stronger farmers--which ended up necessitating the Wight camp and an item like Feral Flare.
Oh definitely. I just find it hilarious that they olaf their own item they introduce not even a few months later. Speaks volumes over whatever development went into it.
On July 15 2014 23:52 AsmodeusXI wrote:
I can't wait to call it Toad camp.
Please it'll be Frog camp! Or even better yet Gekota, everyone needs more Misaka in their lives.
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On July 15 2014 23:52 AsmodeusXI wrote:
I can't wait to call it Toad camp.
Pls, he has a name. We don't call Baron "Purple Wurm."
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United States15536 Posts
On July 16 2014 00:12 Gahlo wrote:Pls, he has a name. We don't call Baron "Purple Wurm."
But Baron is shorter than Purple Wurm! If the name is shorter than Toad, then we'll go with that.
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