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On June 29 2014 20:46 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Damn, so this whole time your point was "Gahlo feels bad"?

Holy shit I apologize, I was wrong and you were right.

On June 29 2014 20:48 PrinceXizor wrote:

the point was, that its dumb that a visible ranking doesn't display your current skill, nor is it required to do so. your ranking changes based on arbitrary samples that often have little to do with your actual skill level, your MMR. and that this disparity is the cause of gahlo's frustration. i told you repeatedly that no one was saying he couldn't ever get there. but yet you still tried to argue against it. i still don't get how you can't understand the difference between something happening 50% of the time and something happening once every 2 times though. especially since you were confused enough to put it in your sig thinking it was something dumb to say.

On June 29 2014 16:02 PrinceXizor wrote:

the goal of matchmaking is to put you against people equal in skill to you, if you are consistently outplaying people of equal skill to you, then you are actually better than them. matchmakings goal is to get you to a 50% winrate ranking and not move you until you get there. Gahlo reached his 50% winrate MMR for the moment, but his visible ranking is not displaying the typical tier that people with his MMR reach. that is what is frustrating to him his visible ranking, but not his MMR are being artificially held down by the promo system. you don't get to skip promos to jump in visible ranking unless there is a big gap.

if your MMR is that of say a diamond 1 player, and you are at Diamond 5, but playing vs diamond 1+ challenger players, your visible ranking is not displaying your skill. you are not being rewarded for going 50/50 with diamond 1/challenger level players.

gahlo could beat his promos if they were vs his own visible tier of players that his MMR has surpassed, but he's playing vs opponents equal to him and as such is winning 50% of his matches vs better quality opponents than his peers in the same visible ranking tier.

On June 29 2014 20:52 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
I understand what you were trying to say. You just suck at actually conveying your thoughts to other people coherently.

In any case your point is that Gahlo is frustrated because of MMR/LP, GREAT. So essentially "Gahlo feels bad."

On June 29 2014 20:59 PrinceXizor wrote:

everyone else seemed to understand but you. why is it my fault and not yours?

your point was "math works"

On June 29 2014 16:02 PrinceXizor wrote:

the goal of matchmaking is to put you against people equal in skill to you, if you are consistently outplaying people of equal skill to you, then you are actually better than them. matchmakings goal is to get you to a 50% winrate ranking and not move you until you get there. Gahlo reached his 50% winrate MMR for the moment, but his visible ranking is not displaying the typical tier that people with his MMR reach. that is what is frustrating to him his visible ranking, but not his MMR are being artificially held down by the promo system. you don't get to skip promos to jump in visible ranking unless there is a big gap.

if your MMR is that of say a diamond 1 player, and you are at Diamond 5, but playing vs diamond 1+ challenger players, your visible ranking is not displaying your skill. you are not being rewarded for going 50/50 with diamond 1/challenger level players.

gahlo could beat his promos if they were vs his own visible tier of players that his MMR has surpassed, but he's playing vs opponents equal to him and as such is winning 50% of his matches vs better quality opponents than his peers in the same visible ranking tier.

On June 29 2014 21:04 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:

It's your fault because you were wrong about the bolded part:

And you're completely denying even having said it.

On June 29 2014 21:08 PrinceXizor wrote:

No i'm not. and no i wasn't. thats 100% accurate. if you are playing at an MMR you are playing with diamond 1 players, and your visible ranking says you are in Diamond 5, then your visible ranking is absolutely not displaying your skill. if you think LP is a reward you are not understanding we're talking about two things: your visible ranking based on league, and during promo matches, neither of which LP is a factor.

On June 29 2014 21:11 wei2coolman wrote:
And yet no one in high d1 or challenger has ever had a problem climbing ranked despite hitting high d1 mmr when they're only d5.

On June 29 2014 21:13 PrinceXizor wrote:

No one has ever had trouble dying sometime either. everyone does it eventually. we're not talking eventually though. we're talking about a moment in time. the moment your visible ranking fails to show your current skill that you are PLAYING GAMES IN and being matched as if you were that skill. it does just that FAIL as a ranking. and is useless.

I'm not dead right now, you aren't dead right now, no one reading this is dead right now, so what if everyone insisted you were because thats what you were labelled as? yes, eventually you, i, and everyone else will be dead. but that day is not today. the label is wrong. and inaccurate and bad.

On June 29 2014 21:17 wei2coolman wrote:

Wat. Dead is a terrible analogy for people calling you bad.

On June 29 2014 21:13 PrinceXizor wrote:

No one has ever had trouble dying sometime either. everyone does it eventually. we're not talking eventually though. we're talking about a moment in time. the moment your visible ranking fails to show your current skill that you are PLAYING GAMES IN and being matched as if you were that skill. it does just that FAIL as a ranking. and is useless.

I'm not dead right now, you aren't dead right now, no one reading this is dead right now, so what if everyone insisted you were because thats what you were labelled as? yes, eventually you, i, and everyone else will be dead. but that day is not today. the label is wrong. and inaccurate and bad.

On June 29 2014 21:22 Alaric wrote:
Fucked up bushes yet again. Leona ults with the center in the bush, so while she has the casting animation the whole thing is entirely invisible and I'm seemingly stunned out of nowhere.
Later on, Lucian is in the bush. I ult him as Tristana, he stays in the bush, just against the wall. He turns invisible (as in I lose vision of the entire bush, not just him) and I don't regain vision as he autos me for a solid 3 seconds. Like, seriously? ._. I thought they had fixed the bush vision bug months ago, with Nidalee.

On June 29 2014 21:20 PrinceXizor wrote:

apparently discussing anything more than a binary label was too complicated for some people, so i had to simplify it to something everyone understands. as the past few pages have shown i guess. i shouldn't need a perfectly analogous example to try to explain why mislabeling is bad.

On June 29 2014 21:27 wei2coolman wrote:
Okay let's play with this retarded analogy of yours. If you're alive and everyone is labeling you dead. You're probably doing a really shitty job of convincing people that you're actually alive....

On June 29 2014 21:31 Alaric wrote:
Not sure, but even with these pockets, when someone attacks you you gain vision of them (that's why Graves can't auto someone using smokescreen without getting retaliated on, because it grants sight of the attacker longer than Graves' auto range, for example).
Then again same game I had a Zenith Blade very clearly stopping short of me, and I still got caught in it. What has Riot broken in its graphics engine this time, it's Lux's ult all over again. ._.