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Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
May 26 2014 21:44 GMT
#641
On May 27 2014 06:14 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2014 06:12 Fusilero wrote:
On May 27 2014 06:07 wei2coolman wrote:
On May 27 2014 05:59 ticklishmusic wrote:
On May 27 2014 05:07 Sufficiency wrote:
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/node/16344


I think this is an excellenity to investigate the blue side advantage (which also happens on the ARAM map).

Gonna make some code changes tonight to preferentially walk to these games and capture as many as I can.


I was just going to say that this game mode will probably have insanely high killcounts.

But uh, yeah that too.

League of Spears.

10 sorakas, the cancer will wipe out humanity

Cause it's the game that never eeeeeends.


Nah, game that never ends would be 10x Alistar.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
Duvon
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden2360 Posts
May 26 2014 21:53 GMT
#642
AP alistar is big mang.
Also AS stacking + ult.
Nothing is impossible, only some things for some people.
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-26 23:01:54
May 26 2014 22:52 GMT
#643
On May 27 2014 02:49 johnybravo22 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2014 02:45 Ketara wrote:
On May 27 2014 02:44 johnybravo22 wrote:
On May 27 2014 02:36 wei2coolman wrote:
On May 27 2014 02:35 johnybravo22 wrote:
the point is stealth and 1shot mechanic should not be in this game, whole point of rengar rework was to change that and he is still the same and does that shit again which he wasnt supposed to happen.

What?

The only iteration of Rengar that was considered broken in high levels of play was Tank Rengar, and that was broken for whole different reason.

what? tank rengar was almost completely dead in competitive play after his nerfs, they reworked him because of soloQ where glass cannon rengar was complete terror and unfun to play against because stealth + 1shot mechanic is toxic and has 0 counterplay


And he's sooooooooooo different now.

thats the reason why people are raging on reddit and lol forums right now, the rework failed to fix his problems, not the first time riot tried do something and their change completely backfired
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2014 02:47 wei2coolman wrote:
On May 27 2014 02:44 johnybravo22 wrote:
On May 27 2014 02:36 wei2coolman wrote:
On May 27 2014 02:35 johnybravo22 wrote:
the point is stealth and 1shot mechanic should not be in this game, whole point of rengar rework was to change that and he is still the same and does that shit again which he wasnt supposed to happen.

What?

The only iteration of Rengar that was considered broken in high levels of play was Tank Rengar, and that was broken for whole different reason.

what? tank rengar was almost completely dead in competitive play after his nerfs, they reworked him because of soloQ where glass cannon rengar was complete terror and unfun to play against because stealth + 1shot mechanic is toxic and has 0 counterplay

I'm talking way in the past, like towards end of S2. Other than Tank Rengar, and occasional Westrice in Challenger Scene, there has been very very minimal Rengar play in pro-scene.

even now, in solo queue. Ryan Choi is the only guy playing Rengar to this level. Specialists are going to be specialists, that's their thing.


tank regar wasnt played at all after batch of nerfs where they olafe;d his W, when rework came tank rengar wasnt a problem for over a year it was the one shot mechanic combined with stealth on glass cannon rengar which riot found problematic and wanted to fix, right now rengar has 18% pickrate in diamond++ and 12% banrate which keeps rising every day are u suggesting this is all ryan choi ?

lol you could still go tank rengar just fine after they changed his W. You just couldnt one shot anyone and was basically only good for mowing down towers/split pushing

gave the same armor/mr, they lowered the damage and gave you a flat heal that was basically the same as the one before unless you had an absolutely absurd amount of hp

On May 27 2014 06:44 Ketara wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2014 06:14 Gahlo wrote:
On May 27 2014 06:12 Fusilero wrote:
On May 27 2014 06:07 wei2coolman wrote:
On May 27 2014 05:59 ticklishmusic wrote:
On May 27 2014 05:07 Sufficiency wrote:
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/node/16344


I think this is an excellenity to investigate the blue side advantage (which also happens on the ARAM map).

Gonna make some code changes tonight to preferentially walk to these games and capture as many as I can.


I was just going to say that this game mode will probably have insanely high killcounts.

But uh, yeah that too.

League of Spears.

10 sorakas, the cancer will wipe out humanity

Cause it's the game that never eeeeeends.


Nah, game that never ends would be 10x Alistar.


i think if every sorakas starcall stacked 10 times eventually you could out damage their heal with Q spam or E spam and win honestly i mean thats like -360 mr or something adding in ap
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
May 26 2014 23:05 GMT
#644
Don't forget Soraka R global heal.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-26 23:26:06
May 26 2014 23:10 GMT
#645
EDIT: meh, this mode hasn't been enabled yet? How disappointing.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-26 23:32:05
May 26 2014 23:31 GMT
#646
Morello + starcall stack = lots of dead Sorakas.
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35173 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-26 23:39:23
May 26 2014 23:38 GMT
#647
On May 27 2014 06:30 johnybravo22 wrote:
i copied meteos elise rune page with AS marks but i kinda hate it even tho I win with her a lot, after game summary always shows i did barely and damage to champions, even in games where i crush and go like 10-1 i still am barely over supports in damage, i remember with pre nerf elise i was always at the top, is it possible that nerfs hit her so hard or its because of the no penetration build ? if so is anyone still using old elise build with success? maybe i need to invest into hybrid pen marks which should give me good balance between clear speed and dmg

That runepage is outdated anyway. Hypen marks, 1 hypen quint, and 2 AS quints outstats it after the buff. Obviously, if you don't even build Pen on her you shouldn't expect to do damage.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
May 26 2014 23:39 GMT
#648
On May 27 2014 08:31 GolemMadness wrote:
Morello + starcall stack = lots of dead Sorakas.


If you can even get anyone to below 40%.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
May 26 2014 23:45 GMT
#649
On May 27 2014 08:39 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2014 08:31 GolemMadness wrote:
Morello + starcall stack = lots of dead Sorakas.


If you can even get anyone to below 40%.

They only have a single target heal after ult, you can get them into hella low mr and silence/starcall them below 40% easily im sure
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
May 26 2014 23:46 GMT
#650
On May 27 2014 08:38 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2014 06:30 johnybravo22 wrote:
i copied meteos elise rune page with AS marks but i kinda hate it even tho I win with her a lot, after game summary always shows i did barely and damage to champions, even in games where i crush and go like 10-1 i still am barely over supports in damage, i remember with pre nerf elise i was always at the top, is it possible that nerfs hit her so hard or its because of the no penetration build ? if so is anyone still using old elise build with success? maybe i need to invest into hybrid pen marks which should give me good balance between clear speed and dmg

That runepage is outdated anyway. Hypen marks, 1 hypen quint, and 2 AS quints outstats it after the buff. Obviously, if you don't even build Pen on her you shouldn't expect to do damage.


From a quick look, Svenskeren, Crumbz, Saint, Dexter, Snoopeh and Brokenshard seem to be using attack speed marks. Almost everyone uses 3 AP quints.
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-26 23:50:40
May 26 2014 23:49 GMT
#651
On May 27 2014 08:39 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2014 08:31 GolemMadness wrote:
Morello + starcall stack = lots of dead Sorakas.


If you can even get anyone to below 40%.

you'd be looking at -80 to 130 Mres easily. no one is really going to be above 0 Mres so stall call is going to be hitting for 800-1500 every 2.5 seconds. your looking at 3 starcalls between heals. so after the first two starcalls stack up everyones resists to max debuff, raka will be out damaging what she can heal.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35173 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-26 23:56:39
May 26 2014 23:55 GMT
#652
On May 27 2014 08:46 GolemMadness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2014 08:38 Gahlo wrote:
On May 27 2014 06:30 johnybravo22 wrote:
i copied meteos elise rune page with AS marks but i kinda hate it even tho I win with her a lot, after game summary always shows i did barely and damage to champions, even in games where i crush and go like 10-1 i still am barely over supports in damage, i remember with pre nerf elise i was always at the top, is it possible that nerfs hit her so hard or its because of the no penetration build ? if so is anyone still using old elise build with success? maybe i need to invest into hybrid pen marks which should give me good balance between clear speed and dmg

That runepage is outdated anyway. Hypen marks, 1 hypen quint, and 2 AS quints outstats it after the buff. Obviously, if you don't even build Pen on her you shouldn't expect to do damage.


From a quick look, Svenskeren, Crumbz, Saint, Dexter, Snoopeh and Brokenshard seem to be using attack speed marks. Almost everyone uses 3 AP quints.

Which is nice, but that doesn't really hold up with how she is itemized. The Hybrid Pen page is an updated version of what Kakao used pre rune band-aid.
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
May 27 2014 00:20 GMT
#653
i bought rengar and my first game i went 28-9 what a hero
does anyone delete adc faster then this nigga then say leblanc
thug life.                                                       MVP/ex-
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
May 27 2014 00:37 GMT
#654
On May 27 2014 09:20 FinestHour wrote:
i bought rengar and my first game i went 28-9 what a hero
does anyone delete adc faster then this nigga then say leblanc

Draven, Syndra, Annie, Elise (when she builds full offense), Yasuo, Gragas (pre-rework), etc etc
liftlift > tsm
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
May 27 2014 00:46 GMT
#655
No, Draven and Syndra are slower due to animations, it's possible to use Heal, Lulu's ult, shields, etc. in the meantime.
If Rengar clicks his resets and Hydra fast enough he'll straight-up kill you under a second.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
aurawashere
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada454 Posts
May 27 2014 00:50 GMT
#656
talon/lb/rengar are the big 3
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
May 27 2014 00:51 GMT
#657
i'm not sure why wei2coolman is such an adamant rengar balance defender
are you a rengar main trying to hide the op?

it's ok to admit it, we're all family here
ALEXISONFIRE ARE FUCKING BACK (sAviOr for life)
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-27 00:57:38
May 27 2014 00:51 GMT
#658
On May 27 2014 09:46 Alaric wrote:
No, Draven and Syndra are slower due to animations, it's possible to use Heal, Lulu's ult, shields, etc. in the meantime.
If Rengar clicks his resets and Hydra fast enough he'll straight-up kill you under a second.

Draven can time his ult with his attack animation to hit at the same time. Syndra is true enough I suppose.
On May 27 2014 09:51 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
i'm not sure why wei2coolman is such an adamant rengar balance defender
are you a rengar main trying to hide the op?

it's ok to admit it, we're all family here

If I was Rengar main, I would prefer they never reworked him to begin with, but his current iteration is fine. There's one fucking specialist with him, and it's got everyone's panties in the bunch. That's how fucking specialists work. They just play that one champion to a ridiculous degree.

It's like people don't seem to understand, that's the fucking risk of playing a squishy. "I want to build big damage without getting blown the fuck up." Well guess fucking what? You fucking can't. (unless you're kayle) The issue with Rengar is less so his kit, and more so with how terrible ADC's are in general (since like end of S2).
liftlift > tsm
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
May 27 2014 00:54 GMT
#659
On May 27 2014 09:51 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
i'm not sure why wei2coolman is such an adamant rengar balance defender
are you a rengar main trying to hide the op?

it's ok to admit it, we're all family here


I'ma new-found rengar main, dudes strong.
johnybravo22
Profile Joined May 2014
38 Posts
May 27 2014 00:54 GMT
#660
lol neither of those champions comes even close to what rengars does, u can react to any of them while rengar just appears on u and u die
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